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Newsgroups: alt.atheismPath: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ira.uka.de!news.dfn.de!tubsibr!dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de!I3150101From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism)Message-ID: <16BBCE4E1.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>Sender: postnntp@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Mr. Nntp Inews Entry)Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, GermanyReferences: <2943841351.0.p00261@psilink.com> <1993Apr14.170757.14221@cs.nott.ac.uk> <1993Apr17.122329.21438@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <16BB4C522.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr19.231641.21652@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <16BB7AF87.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr25.165315.1190@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:16:32 GMTLines: 46In article <1993Apr25.165315.1190@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >>(Deletion)>>>"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon.>>>Each is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (Qur'an :33)>>>(Deletion)>>Well, that is certainly different, but it looks as if there is a translation>>found for everything. By the way, I am most surprised to hear that night and>>day move in an orbit.>>I thought about this, too -- some translations refer to only the latter>two objects being in orbit, but Bucaille's translation seems to indicate>the night and the day travelling in "orbit" too.  Perhaps this can be>understood when one looks at it from the earth's reference frame -- from>this reference frame, the day and the night would appear to "orbit" the>earth (travelling from east to west).  (This is from the reference frame>when the earth is still.)> Well, yes, but that belongs in the other group, there is a interpretationfound for everything. However, allowing any form of interpretation reducesthe information of the text so interprteted to zero. By the way, I have checked the quote and I think the lines preceding thosequoted above are more interesting:    21:32 where mountains are set on earth in order to immobilize the earth.   21:33 where the skies (heavens?) are referred to as well supported. the lines given above are  21:34 after my edition.  >Maybe this is what is meant by the above....?  It's just a possibility.>>>And that the sun travels in an orbit without saying that earth does, too,>>sounds geocentric to me.>>I will see if I can find out more about this.>>But it is still not geocentric.> That sun and moon move and the earth is immobile sounds geocentric to me.   Benedikt

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