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>>One of my friends ordered it from a Recordshop in Gothenburg, but got>the answer that it was sold out. However, they didn't say that the>record isn't existing on CD. He was supposed to recieve it later.>Any wiser of that?>Correction:Received is spelled received, not recieved. :-)My friend told me that they said "Tales.. is not on CD." That's why he didn'tget it. Sorry for the confusing information.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                                             ~~  Ulrik 'Rick' Sandberg  d2c-usg@luth.UUCP (or)                              ~~  Computer Technology	  d2c-usg@psi.luth.se (or)                            ~~  University of Lulea    {uunet,mcvax}!enea!psi.luth.se!d2c-usg              ~~  Sweden                                                                     ~~  phone: (0920)-977 90 (home)       "I feel lost in the city..."             ~~                                       --  Jon Anderson  --                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#! rnews 1128Path: alberta!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!lll-lcc!pyramid!decwrl!cssaus.dec.com!bellFrom: bell@cssaus.dec.com (Peter Bell, SNA-2, Sydney)Newsgroups: rec.music.classicalSubject: HogwoodMessage-ID: <8712141101.AA04882@decwrl.dec.com>Date: 15 Dec 87 05:23:00 GMTOrganization: Digital Equipment CorporationLines: 15I have just finished singing (in choir) under Hogwood, it was an experience. Wesang Schuberts Mass in G, (as Schubert wrote it, missing a few phrases of theCredo). Hogwood knew exactly what he wanted, and worked till we did it right.Then as we tidied up the last few problems, he would let us sing through wholesections, then go back and point out all the problems.We also sang the Messiah (not with Hogwood unfortunately) the delight ofthose performances was Elizabeth Cambells singing "He was despised..."In this performance the two trumpeters waited off stage until just before theirappearances in each half, the first trumpet parts were played by a largetrumpeter (in nice to see that Sydney musicains are not starving) on whatlooked like a very small valved trumpet (trumpet in F??).Peter.#! rnews 1252Path: alberta!mnetor!uunet!mcvax!dutrun!winffhpFrom: winffhp@dutrun.UUCP (Frits Post and/or Andrew Glassner)Newsgroups: comp.graphicsSubject: abstracts wantedKeywords: ray tracing, abstractsMessage-ID: <190@dutrun.UUCP>Date: 2 Dec 87 09:14:55 GMTOrganization: Delft University of Technology,The NetherlandsLines: 21I am preparing a list of technical memos, technical notes,internal reports, and other such low-circulation documentsthat deal with ray tracing.  I'm interested in documentsboth large and small.  The documents need not be expresslyabout ray tracing; the criterion is that the information inthe document be useful to ray tracing researchers in some way.If you have prepared such a document, please send me enoughinformation to digest it.  That would at least include yourname and organization, the document's title, perhaps a referencenumber, and (very important!) an abstract.  All contributors will receive a complete copy of the final list.-Andrew Glassner  email until 15 December: uunet!mcvax!dutrun!frits  email after 15 December: glassner@unc.cs.edu  ,  unc!glassner--              ...mcvax!dutrun!frits                 Faculty of Mathematics and Informatics             Delft University of Technology#! rnews 593Path: alberta!mnetor!uunet!mcvax!lambertFrom: lambert@cwi.nl (Lambert Meertens)Newsgroups: sci.langSubject: Re: Acquiring native accentsMessage-ID: <136@piring.cwi.nl>Date: 5 Dec 87 22:56:44 GMTOrganization: CWI, AmsterdamLines: 8When I speak English I hear no Dutch accent in my voice.  But if my voiceis recorded and played back to me I find the Dutch accent unmistakable.  Ifthis phenomenon is a general one, it goes a good deal towards explainingwhy adult learners of a new language do not fully master the native accent.-- Lambert Meertens, CWI, Amsterdam; lambert@cwi.nl#! rnews 6735Path: alberta!mnetor!uunet!mcvax!philmds!leffe!janpoFrom: janpo@leffe.UUCP (janpo)Newsgroups: rec.music.miscSubject: Re: Ideas for improving the debate (was: Digital vs. Analog music)Summary: Digital versus AnalogKeywords: CDs expensive audiophile equip. fourier analysisMessage-ID: <43@leffe.UUCP>Date: 4 Dec 87 13:55:04 GMTReferences: <574@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> <522@altura.srcsip.UUCP> <3051@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>Organization: Philips I&E DTS EindhovenLines: 1231) Mr. Konar, press the 'n' key immediately! There's another arrogant   audiophile going to pollute the net with his view on the Digital vs.   Analog issue.2) I'm not very much acquainted with the news stuff on the net, but it   seems we don't receive the rec.audio newsgroup here in Europe. Can   something be done about that?3) Now let me come to the point.   In article <3051@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> eacj@batcomputer.tn.cornell   (Julian Vrieslander) he writes:>Konar than goes on to comment about the "arrogance" of audiophiles who still>prefer analog recordings to digital.  He says the issue should be laid to rest>, the implicit assumption being that the case has been proven that analog >recording is obsolete.>I for one think that the issue is still an open (and interesting) one, but I>am a bit surprised at how polarized and closed the recent comments to this>thread have been.  I agree with him, so let me do my bit now. A technology not being perfect, or getting close to that, is still worth a discussion. Remember that ittook about a 100 years of thorough research from Edison's first grammophoneto the modern high quality turntables. Don't expect digital audio to beperfect now only a few years after its introduction, no matter what thecommercial guys say. They are only interested in your hard-earned $$$$.Until now I have only been in the opportunity to make a good comparisonbetween a high-end turntable and some first genaration. I'll summarizethe pros and cons of which I think are important and which I can think ofnow. Many of them are well known, others may not.PROS OF ANALOG:- Cheap records.- As John Vrieslander mentioned: More real, more spatious, more delicate,  more emotionally involving. I won't try to find other words for this  description 'cause I can't think of a better one. Unfortunately, this  can only be heard on good, say > $2k-$3k systems without an infinite  number of knobs, lights and other gadgets normally found in aeroplane  cockpits.CONS OF ANALOG:- More hissy, rumble,scratches,sound degrading after many times of  playing the record. This counts less when you have good records  (Japanese ones are most often excellent but hard to get now.) and take  good care of them.- No flat frequency response, especially at the low and high end.- Phase distortion.- Harmonic distortion increases with amplitude.PROS OF DIGITAL:- Longer durability than records (?). Less hissy, no rumble or ticks of  scratches.- Almost no phase distortion, flat frequency response within the audio  range.- Easy to use.- Slightly (!) more dynamic. Why only slightly? Well, the 96 dB dynamic  range theoretically possible with a CD is not very practical. In reality  it is compressed, as far as I know, to some 40-60 dB depending on the  music (Pop, Jazz, Classic) because:  a) No one wants to run continuously to his volume knob to adjust the     volume.If not compressed the music will either be banging through your      living room and of your neighbours or it will drown in the inevitable      background noise.  b) Studio equipment has a dynamic range of less than, say, 70 to 80 dB     when you assume the Signal to Noise ratio being equal to the dynamic     range.  c) Sound gets to distorted at low levels. (See also cons)  d) A dynamic headroom of 10 dB is desired.  With all this limitations the dynamic range of CD's is not much different  with that of a good record.- Excellent bass response. Deep and well defined.- Very stable stereo image.CONS OF DIGITAL:- Expensive records.- When listening to a CD, it seems as if there is no "space" around around  the instruments and voices. It sounds cold and not very lively.- First generation players and the cheaper CD players nowadays suffer from  very distorted high tones. They sound harsh. Cymbals for instance sound  like someone is sawing them into pieces instead giving it a gentle hit  with a drum-stick. They do not sound crisp and clear.- Distortion increases dramatically with lower amplitudes (!). It can be  more than 1.5 % at low levels. And it's a very nasty kind of distortion.- CD players produce (digital) noise above the audio range. This noise itself  can not be heard but other audio equipment may suffer from intermodulation  distortion which brings this noise back in the audio range. - Many CD players, especially the first ones, do not seem to be very reliable  mechanically.- I've heard that digital audio recording is quite different from analog.  I mean in terms of how it has to be done properly. I don't mean the  equipment needed, that's quite obvious. Not all studio crew seem to know  how to make a good digital recording. Does anyone know more about that?Well, this must be enough stuff to think and talk about.The above mentioned cons of digital audio may be overcome in the latestplayers but I have not had the opportunity until now to carefully listento them and to compare them. According to some serious audio magazinesavailable here in Holland they seem to be improved. Many top-of-the-linemodels now have separated power supplys for the digital and analogcircuitry, opto-couplers between those circuits, an additional analog filterto filter out > 20 kHz noise, 16 bit with with n times oversampling, stableand rigid chassis and improved error correction. All this may have solved(some) of the cons I mentioned but I'm not sure. Players which have one ormore of these improvements and thus may be of interest (At least for JulianVrieslander and me) are: Philips (Magnavox in the USA I believe) CD 650 andCD 960, Nakamichi, Mission, Meridian and if memory serves me well, AcousticalResearch (Or Audio Research. Don't know anymore). The latter two may bedifficult to get in the USA, they are made in the UK. No doubt that thereare more good CD players but can't think of others now. These are theplayers I consider buying when normal LP's are no longer available.Pooh! That was more than I intended to write but still far less than I cantell about this stuff.                                        Kind regards from                                        Jan PostmaAnd on the seventh day, God went surfing!#! rnews 1424Path: alberta!mnetor!uunet!mcvax!cernvax!ethz!heiserFrom: heiser@ethz.UUCP (Gernot Heiser)Newsgroups: comp.emacsSubject: Setting terminal-emulator's environmentKeywords: GNU Emacs function `terminal-emulator'Message-ID: <261@bernina.UUCP>Date: 5 Dec 87 13:42:37 GMTReply-To: heiser@ethz.UUCP (Gernot Heiser)Organization: ETH Zuerich, SwitzerlandLines: 18Using the  GNU emacs terminal-emulator   to run interactive  programs  would bequite limited if the parent emacs  can't be used  for editing (when the programrun under the emulator starts up an editor).  While some  programs  (like `rn')allow to explicitely specify the  editor, a general  solution would require  tospecify `emacsclient'  in the `EDITOR'   environment  variable of  the  processrunning under the terminal emulator.Naturally this could be done by running  the  shell under the emulator, settingthe   environment of  the shell, and  then running   the program  we are reallyinterested  in.  A  better way  would be    to set  the   environment from  the`terminal-mode-hook'. Is there any means to achieve this???? (I'm running GNUEmacs version 18.49.)-- Gernot Heiser                   Phone:       +41 1/256 23 48Integrated Systems Laboratory   CSNET/ARPA:  heiser%ifi.ethz.ch@relay.cs.netETH Zuerich                     EARN/BITNET: GRIDFILE@CZHETH5ACH-8092 Zuerich, Switzerland    EUNET/UUCP:  {uunet,...}!mcvax!ethz!heiser#! rnews 1617Path: alberta!mnetor!uunet!mcvax!enea!sommarFrom: sommar@enea.UUCP (Erland Sommarskog)Newsgroups: rec.music.miscSubject: Re: another net.questionMessage-ID: <2496@enea.UUCP>Date: 5 Dec 87 16:46:48 GMTReferences: <251@ho7cad.ATT.COM>Reply-To: sommar@enea.UUCP(Erland Sommarskog)Followup-To: rec.music.miscOrganization: ENEA DATA Svenska AB, SwedenLines: 27P.CLARK (prc@ho7cad.ATT.COM) writes:>	Should a band play the entire new album when they do a concert?No, why should they? There may be songs on the album that are very good listening to at home, but just doesn't make it live,just as there are songs with the opposite character; good live, but just a bore on disc.Deep Purple and Marillion and good example of extremes in bothends. When I saw D.P. in February this year, they played three of the ten songs from "The House of Blue Light", their latest album. That is a quite decent product, but I didn't miss thosesongs anyway. (I, and everyone else, would have been much more disappointed if they had left out "Smoke on the Water".)   Marillion on the other hand; on the two tours they made after"Misplaced Childhood", they insisted on playing entire albumas one long song. There are many parts on that album that justbecomes dead passages where nothing happens when they are playedlive. ("Bitter Suite" and "Blind Curve" for instance.) Marillionis no good live band, and playing obsolete material does notmake things better.-- Erland Sommarskog       ENEA Data, Stockholm    sommar@enea.UUCP                           C, it's a 3rd class language, you can tell by the name.#

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