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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu sci.crypt:15323 alt.security:9973 comp.org.eff.talk:16922 comp.security.misc:3407 comp.org.acm:1618 comp.org.ieee:1550Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!ucivax!ucla-cs!ucla-se!wright!ygolandFrom: ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieeeSubject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !Message-ID: <ygoland.735123994@wright>Date: 18 Apr 93 09:06:34 GMTReferences: <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com> <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com> <rlglendeC5nAJI.3uE@netcom.com>Sender: news@SEAS.UCLA.EDUFollowup-To: sci.cryptDistribution: naLines: 44The Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all.But lets ignore that for the moment.The fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from usingencryption?Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such asPublic Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryptionprocess?If the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country istruly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers(depending upon which causes more damage and to whom).However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, whocares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone lineis insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways fromsunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is theattitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about aclipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feedthe voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over thephone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse.Can't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have neveruses PGP.Anyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms iskidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms.One final thought addressed to EFF: 1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of encryption where the encryption key must be revealed? 2.If you do, why? If not, why? 3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either support or stop this proposal? 4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do you offer? The Jester-- Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your diskspace, It slows down your computer, It takes control over yourcomputer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays sillymessages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin
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