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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu sci.crypt:15793 alt.security.pgp:2630 alt.privacy.clipper:84Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.security.pgp,alt.privacy.clipperPath: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!bogus.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!purdue!yuma!hollandFrom: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)Subject: Re: new encryptionSender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account)Message-ID: <Apr23.012125.81689@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 01:21:25 GMTReferences: <1r4e9d$pdo@sol.TIS.COM> <1993Apr21.225435.6292@wam.umd.edu> <strnlghtC5wC3z.Erw@netcom.com>Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.eduOrganization: Colorado State University, Computer Science DepartmentLines: 38In article <strnlghtC5wC3z.Erw@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:>>psionic@wam.umd.edu, whose parenthesized name is either an unfortunate>coincidence or casts serious doubt on his bona fides, posts a message in>which he seems willing to take the word of a private firm about which he>knows little that their new encryption algorithm is secure and contains no>trapdoors, while seemingly distrusting that of the government about clipper.I have a couple reasons why I would be more likely to trust this algorithm:	1. The algorithm will be made totally public, once it is patented.	2. The keys will NOT be escrowed.Of course if either of these is not true, I will not use this new algorithm.Since I have never seen this new algorithm, I have no idea how secure it isyet.>I suppose it depends on how paranoid one wishes to be, but how does the>writer know the firm isn't, for example, an NSA front? For purposes of this>message, how do we know "psionic" isn't?>>I don't suggest that, but post this to point out that there is a class of>speculation that has no more truth value, without lots of hard evidence,>than the contrary one.>>By the way, if "psionic" had said, in lower case letters, that the firm>CLAIMS there was no back door, I'd have no problem with that phrasing.>I can't make any judgements about the algorithm itself yet, but I do noticethat the creators of this algorithm are being more open about how thething works, and is willing to make it public, showing that after a bitof scrutiny, any weaknesses will probably be revealed, while we don't knowabout Clipper.Doug Holland-- |  Doug Holland                | Anyone who tries to take away my freedom  ||  holland@cs.colostate.edu    | of speech will have to pry it from my     ||  PGP key available by E-mail | cold, dead lips!!                         |

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