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Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!geneva.rutgers.edu!christianFrom: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver)Newsgroups: soc.religion.christianSubject: HelpMessage-ID: <Apr.23.02.56.12.1993.3147@geneva.rutgers.edu>Date: 23 Apr 93 06:56:13 GMTSender: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.eduLines: 44Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.eduIn a prior article, lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:>> Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)> as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James> in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out'If you agree that good works have a role somewhere, you will generally find yourself in one of two camps:    (1) Faith + Works --> Salvationor (2) Faith --> Salvation + WorksEither (1) works are required for salvation, or (2) faith will inevitably result in good works. I am also of the opinion that salvation is by faith alone, based onEphesians 2 and Romans 3:21-31.  I also conclude that James 2, when read in context, is teaching bullet (2) above. When James speaks of justification, I would claim that he is not speaking of God declaringthe believing sinner innocent in His sight (Paul's use of the word). Instead he is speaking of the sinner's profession of faith being "justified" or "proven" by the display of good works. Also according to James 2, the abscence of such works is evidence for a "dead" or "useless" faith which fails to save.James 2 is not a problem for the doctrine of salvation by faith if itis teaching (2).  Works would have their place, not as merit toward salvation, but as evidence of true faith. Regards,---Dave Weaver               | "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep toweaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com|  gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot (1949)[There are of course a number of other possibilities.  The Reformersbelieved  salvation --> faith --> worksSome of us suspect that the three things are tied up together in such a waythat no diagram of this form can do it justice.--clh]

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