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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu soc.religion.christian:21672Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!bogus.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!geneva.rutgers.edu!christianFrom: swf@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Stan Friesen)Newsgroups: soc.religion.christianSubject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conceptionMessage-ID: <May.18.00.55.38.1993.9584@geneva.rutgers.edu>Date: 18 May 93 04:55:39 GMTSender: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.eduReply-To: swf@elsegundoca.ncr.comLines: 28Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu[Someone quoted the following.  I've removed the name because it's notclear which name goes with which level of quote.  --clh]>     ... And to Holy Mary, Virgin is invariably added, for that Holy Woman>     remains undefiled.>                 -- St. Epiphanus of Salamis, "Panacea against all heresies",>                    between A.D. 374-377.>     ... For the Lord Jesus would not have chosen>     to be born of a virgin if He had judged that she would be so incontinent>     as to taint the birthplace of the Body of the Lord, home of the Eternal>     King, with the seed of human intercourse.  ...>                 -- Pope St. Siricius, Letter to Anysius, Bishop of >                    Thessalonica, A.D. 392On the basis of these examples I would say that Joe Moore was only wrongin claiming Augustine as a prime mover of the sin=sex view.  These quotesclearly equate sexuality with defilement and incontinance, even withinthe marriage relationship (else they would not apply to Mary after her marriageto Joseph).So Joe's assignment of the reasoning behind the concept of the perpetualvirginity of Mary does seem to be supported by these quotes.-- sarima@teradata.com			(formerly tdatirv!sarima)  orStanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com

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