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Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christianFrom: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner)Newsgroups: soc.religion.christianSubject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. SirachMessage-ID: <May.9.05.38.22.1993.27327@athos.rutgers.edu>Date: 9 May 93 09:38:23 GMTSender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.eduOrganization: UH Dept of MathLines: 53Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.eduddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis)writes: II. The deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because they are not quoted by the NT authors.That is not quite accurate. Otherwise we would have the bookof Enoch in the canon (as Dave noted). One can say that the apocrypha are not quoted by Christ. Dave also writes:III. The deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because they teach doctrines contrary to the (uncontroverted) parts of the canon. then I answer: These is a logically invalid *a priori*. Besides, we are talking about OT texts- which in many parts are superceded by the NT (in the Xtian view). Would not this same principle exclude _Ecclesiastes_? This principle cannot be consistently applied. I have to reject your argument here. The Spirit speaks with onevoice, and he does not contradict himself. The ultimate test of canonicity is whether the words are inspiredby the Spirit, i.e., God-breathed. It is a test which is moreguided by faith than by reason or logic. The early church decidedthat the Apocrypha did not meet this test--even though some bookssuch as The Wisdom of Ben Sirach have their uses. For example,the Lutheran hymn "Now Thank We All Our God" quotes a passagefrom this book.The deutero-canonical books were added much later in the church'shistory. They do not have the same spiritual quality as therest of Scripture. I do not believe the church that added thesebooks was guided by the Spirit in so doing. And that is wherethis sort of discussion ultimately ends.David H. Wagnera confessional Lutheran "Now thank we all our God With heart and hands and voices, Who wondrous things hath done, In whom His world rejoices; Who from our mother's arms Hath blessed us on our way With countless gifts of love, And still is our today." --"Nun danket alle Gott", v. 1 --Martin Rinckart, 1636 (compare Ben Sirach 50: 22-24)
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