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Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christianFrom: JEK@cu.nih.govNewsgroups: soc.religion.christianSubject: Jacob and EsauMessage-ID: <May.12.04.30.10.1993.10089@athos.rutgers.edu>Date: 12 May 93 08:30:10 GMTSender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.eduLines: 47Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.eduGerry Palo wrote that there is nothing in Christianity that excludesthe theory of a succession of lives.I wrote that the Apostle Paul, in Romans 9, speaks of God aschoosing Jacob over Esau, and adds that this is not as a result ofanything that either child had done, since they had not been bornyet.Clearly, Paul does not believe that they had had previous lives, nordoes he suppose that his readers will believe it. For if they hadhad previous lives, it would not make sense to say, "Neither of themhas done anything good or bad as yet, since they are not yet born."Daniel Cossack writes to ask whether it is fair for God to hateEasau when Esau has done nothing bad?I reply that in Hebrew it is standard usage to speak of hating whenwhat is meant is simply putting in second place. As an example,consider the saying in Matthew 6:24 + No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one + and love the other, or....Now, it is obviously false that a man with two masters must hate oneof them. But it is obviously true that he must put one of them insecond place. A dog that always comes when either Billy or Bobbycalls will have a problem if they stand in different places and callsimultaneously. It cannot give first priority to both. One must takesecond place. In our original example, second place means thatJacob, not Esau, is chosen to bear the covenant blessing andobligation, and to be the ancestor of Christ.     *****     *****     *****     *****     *****Eugene Bigelow mentions Matthew 11:14 which says of John theBaptist: + And if ye will receive it, this is ELijah, who was to come.I take this to mean that John was an Elijah-like figure, dressingand living like Elijah, preaching like Elijah, and fulfilling theprediction that Elijah would prepare the way for the Messiah.  I donot think that he was Elijah in a literal sense, and, appareently,neither did he (John 1:21). Yours, James Kiefer

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