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Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!golchowyFrom: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockeySubject: Re: Wings will winMessage-ID: <1993Apr23.214202.7490@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>Date: 23 Apr 93 21:42:02 GMTReferences: <ragraca.735571987@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <1993Apr23.155933.5086@sol.UVic.CA> <ragraca.735586800@vela.acs.oakland.edu>Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry DepartmentLines: 47In article <ragraca.735586800@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:>>It's true that Vancouver did not make the playoffs for many a year before >Quinn came, but in those years the Smythe Division was a lot--I mean *a lot*-->tougher division than the Norris, also known as the "Snorris", division.>Vancouver had to play Edmonton and Calgary, both very legitimate Stanley>Cup contenders, eight times a year, while Detroit got to play such >powerhouses as Toronto and Minnesota. Now, Edmonton is hardly even a force>in the league, and the Smythe even has the mighty San Jose sharks, whileThem thar's fighting words...hardly a force...geez...miss the playoffsonce in 15 years, and even after making the final four 3 times in thelast five years, and everyone thinks its doomsville.>over this same period of time in which Vancouver was improving, so was >everybody in the Norris (except St. Louis). Detroit had to improve just>to keep up with the competition in their division. They had to improve *a>lot* to get better than their competition in the Norris.>>Bryan Murray inherited a team with very little talent. For really good>players, they had Yzerman, Burr, and Probert, and that was about it. (And>no doubt some will dispute whether Burr and Probert were that good). The>rest were either very green rookies or washed up veterans. The only reason>they got as far as they did in the years before Murray came was due to the>coaching of Demers, who, at least at first, got every last ounce of effort>possible out of his team. Then, even his coaching began to degrade.>Fedorov, Primeau, Kozlov, Lidstrom, Sillinger, Konstantinov, Drake,Kennedy, Racine, and Cheveldae were already in the pipeline due toDevellano...Murray inherited these guys...in addition to Yzerman,Probert, Carson, Chiasson, etc.>There are a number of reasons why Detroit wasn't in as bad a shape standings>wise when Murray took over as Vanc. was when Quinn took over, some of which>I outlined above, but Murray did not have any better personnel to work with>at the outset than did Quinn, with the exception of Yzerman. And one player>cannot alone make a team into a Stanley Cup contender, as I'm sure everyone>reading this will agree. >No...Quinn had far less...Murray took over Detroit at a time to take advantage of all of Devellano's good drafting...if Devellanohad not given in to Demers request to make the Oates trade, he mightstill be GM.Gerald
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