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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu talk.politics.misc:178301 alt.sex:111331 soc.men:68500 misc.legal:60661Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!news.intercon.com!psinntp!gdc!esun228!piattFrom: piatt@gdc.COM (Gary Piatt)Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,soc.men,misc.legalSubject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?Message-ID: <842@esun179.gdc.com>Date: 14 Apr 93 12:34:03 GMTReferences: <1qg11q$bl3@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>Sender: news@gdc.comFollowup-To: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,soc.men,misc.legalOrganization: General DataComm Ind. Inc., Middlebury, CT 06762Lines: 51Nntp-Posting-Host: esun228X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]Dov Bai-MSI Visitor (bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:: In article <C5FG7t.6At@exnet.co.uk> sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:: >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk,: >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. : But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically: on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ?Some say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result ofthe coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris. In either case,the property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years.: It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not: provide us automatically with our needs,Oh? When did She *stop*? Mother Nature has been automatically providingus with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze. Itis not "produced": it produces itself, year after year. Last night, forexample, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in anearlier time, one of them would have been dinner.: There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to : _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. : The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced: it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages: arrange their affairs.The American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and oftenfreely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food andclothing for weapons or services. The Native Hawaiians, like theirPolynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and sharedmany things with the other Islanders. In fact, "hi'ipoi", the Hawaiianword for "cherish" means "sharing food". The Great Mahele, in whichthe Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich andthe poor, was a white man's idea. In Africa, villagers will oftenshare tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own villageand neighboring villages. Every anthropologist who has ever been toAfrica has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so-called "theft" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which,until the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding.These are the people we call "savages".On the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year.Dov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it wouldbehoove you to study *all* of the facts.-garison
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