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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu talk.politics.misc:178349 misc.legal:60678 alt.politics.libertarian:6533Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal,alt.politics.libertarianPath: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!bogus.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!uunet!news.encore.com!ns.encore.com!rcollinsFrom: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins)Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)Reply-To: rcollins@encore.comOrganization: Encore Computer CorporationDate: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:06:02 GMTMessage-ID: <C5JH23.Eu8@encore.com>References: <1993Apr13.083449.1058@cbnewse.cb.att.com> <1993Apr13.215245.2916@isc-br.isc-br.com> <SLAGLE.93Apr15000157@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id)Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.comLines: 46In article <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:|> In article <SLAGLE.93Apr15000157@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:|> >It is the government that is preventing entry to the market.  The|> >desire of those running established businesses to prevent or|> >restrict the entry of competitors is an understandable, though|> >generally unpleasant, human failing.  But without a means to act|> >on this desire, without a government with sufficient power to|> >restrict the options of the potential competitor, the|> >anti-competitive desire remains just an unpleasant wish.  The|> >government is the linchpin, so we seek to disengage it so we|> >don't get the shaft.|> |> Once again, Mark, you don't specify the means through which the government|> is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests.  As a |> left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as|> you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto|> dealers.  |> |> But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms,|> to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws,|> and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay.  Each strikes me as a |> particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special|> interests cannot influence public policy.  In fact, they seem clearly|> designed to accomplish the opposite.This is similar to my saying that Clinton's timber summit does little tofix the health care problem.  Look at the whole picture, not justrandomly picked libertarian positions.  If government is not allowed touse "non-initiated force" to achieve its goals, than no special interestcan influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf.The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topicwhich I'll address briefly.  It certainly won't happen untillibertarianism is the dominate philosophy.  What means do we have tomake libertarianism the dominate philosophy?  Statists run the educationmonopoly, so we have to be creative.  The Advocates for Self-Governmentreports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants "embrace" libertarianism.That's the best means I've seen yet.  We should lobby for compulsorySeminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!]Roger CollinsIt's amazing to me that governments around the world will try everyaspect of government control before, as a final last resort aftereverything else fails, they will try individual liberty.	-- Andre Marrou, Libertarian candidate for President '92

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