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Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!sgigate!odin!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!liveseyFrom: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)Newsgroups: alt.atheismSubject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)Date: 22 Apr 1993 20:52:13 GMTOrganization: sgiLines: 20Distribution: worldMessage-ID: <1r70ht$67a@fido.asd.sgi.com>References: <1q55ssINN84p@gap.caltech.edu> <1q5f5e$s0g@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1q5klpINNee4@gap.caltech.edu> <1q86rc$27k@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1q8npiINNjlf@gap.caltech.edu> <1qcr3t$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1ql8mdINN674@gap.caltech.edu> <kmr4.1596.734966970@po.CWRU.Organization: Case Western Reserve University <kmr4.1608.735017615@po.CWRU.edu> <1r5emjINNmk@gap.caltech.edu>NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.comIn article <1r5emjINNmk@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:|> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:|> |> >But, this just shows then that painful execution is not considered |> >"cruel" and unusual punishment. This shows that "cruel" as used in the |> >constitution does NOT refer to whether or not the punishment causes physical |> >pain.|> >Rather, it must be a different meaning.|> |> I don't think so.  Although some forms of execution are painful (the electric|> chair looks particularly so), I think the pain is relatively short-lived.|> Drawing and quartering, on the other hand, looks very painful, and the|> victim wouldn't die right away (he'd bleed to death, I'd imagine).So what do we have now, an integral over pain X time?I get to lash you with a wet noodle for ever, but I only get tocut you up with a power saw if I'm quick about it?jon.

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