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>Candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in 
>the sinuses, the GI tract(mouth, stomach and intestines) and in the 
>vaginal tract which compete with it for food.  The human immune system 
>ususally does not bother itself with these(nonpathogenic organisms) unless 
>they broach the mucus membrane "barrier".  If they do, an inflammatory 
>response will be set up.  Most Americans are not getting enough vitamin A 
>from their diets.  About 30% of all American's die with less Vitamin A than 
>they were born with(U.S. autopsy studies).  While this low level of vitamin 
>A does not cause pathology(blindness) it does impair the mucus membrane 
>barrier system.  This would then be a predisposing factor for a strong 
>inflammatory response after a candida bloom.  

Aren't there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the
sinus mucus membranes and cilia?


>While diabetics can suffer from a candida "bloom" the  most common cause of 
>this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which 
>knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main 
>competition for candida as far as food is concerned.  While drugs are 
>available to handle candida, many patients find that their doctor will not 
>use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection.  The toxicity of 
>the anti-fungal drugs does warrant some caution.  But if the GI or sinus 
>inflammation is suspected to be candida(and recent use of a broad spectrum 
>antibiotic is the smoking gun), then anti-fungal use should be approrpriate 
>just as the anti-fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring 
>vaginal yeast infections, in spite of what Mr. Steve Dyer says.

Again, the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast/fungus
species can grow hyphae ("roots") into deep tissue, similar to mold growing
in bread.  You can continue to kill the surface, such as nystatin does, but
you can't kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic
anti-fungal such as itraconazole (Sporanox) or some of the older ones such
as Nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective.  This is why, as has
been pointed out by recent studies (sent to me by a doctor I've been in
e-mail contact with - thanks), that nystatin is not effective in the long-
term treatment of GI tract "candidiasis".  It's like trying to weed a garden
by cutting off what's above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come
out again once you walk away.

The $60000 question is whether a contained candida "bloom" can partially
grow into tissue through the mucus membranes, causing some types of symptoms
in susceptible people (e.g., allergy), without becoming "systemic" in the
classical sense of the word - something in between strictly an excessive
bloom not causing any problems and the full-blown systemic infection that
is potentially lethal.


>In the GI system, the ano-rectal region seems to be a particularly good 
>reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very 
>favorable environment around the rectum for transfer(through moisture and 
>humidity) of candida to the vaginal tract.  One of the most effctive ways to 
>minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear.  

Also, if one is an 'anal retentive', like I've been diagnosed in a prior
post, that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth.  ;^)


>If the bloom occurs in the anal area, the burning, swelling, pain and even 
>blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids.  If the 
>bloom manages to move further up the GI tract, very diffuse symptomatology 
>occurs(abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool).  This positive stool 
>for occult blood is what sent Elaine to her family doctor in the first 
>place.  After extensive testing, he told her that there was nothing wrong 
>but her gut still hurt.  On to another doctor, and so on.  Richard Kaplan 
>has told me throiugh e-mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool 
>specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of 
>false positives(candida blooms guys?).  If my gut hurt me on a constant 
>basis, I would want it fixed.  Yes it's nice to know that I don't have 
>colon cancer but what then is causing my distress?  When I finally find a 
>doctor who treats me and gets me 90% better, Steve Dyer calls him a quack.

As I've said in private e-mail, there are flaws in our current medical system
that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt
alternative therapies AFTER the approved/proven/accepted therapies don't work.
For example, I went to three ENT's, who all said that I will just have to live
with my acute/chronic sinusitis after the ab's failed (they did mention
surgery to open up the ostia, but my ostia weren't plugged and it would not
get to the root cause of my condition).  After three months of aggressive and
fairly non-standard therapy (Sporanox, body nutrient level monitoring and
equalization, vitamin C, lentinen, echinacea, etc.), my health has vastly
improved to where I was two years ago, before my health greatly deteriorated.
Of course, skeptics would say that maybe if I did nothing I would have
improved anyway, but that view is stretching things quite far because of the
experience of the three ENT's I saw who said that I'd just have to "live with
it".  I'm confident I will reach what one could call a total "cure".  The
anti-fungal program I undertook was one necessary step in that direction
because of my overuse of ab's for the last four years.  (Note:  for those
having sinus problems, may I suggest the book by Dr. Ivker I mention above.
Be sure to get the revised edition.)


>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic 
>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his 
>patients is a non-existent syndrome.

Dr. Ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems, and his
visits to several ENT's totally floored him when they said "you'll just have
to live with it".  He spent several years trying everything - standard and
non-standard, until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis.  He now
shares his approach in his book and I can honestly say that I am on the road
to recovery following some parts of it.  His one recommendation to take a
systemic anti-fungal at the beginning of treatment IF you have a history of
anti-biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own
practice.  I'm sure if I commented to him of the hard-core beliefs of the anti-
"yeast hypothesis" posters that he would have definite things to say, such as,
"it's worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases", to put it mildly.
I also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating
their moral obligations to help the patient.

Maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are
confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the "hypothetical
yeast overgrowth" (e.g., they fit some of the profiles the pro-yeast people
have identified), should consider anti-fungal therapy IF all other avenues
have been exhausted.  Remember, theory and practice are two different things -
you cannot have one without the other, they are synergistic.  If a doctor does
something non-standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a
thousand of his patients, shouldn't you at least sit up and take notice?
Maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works
instead of why it shouldn't work.  I'm afraid a lot of doctors have become
so enamored with "scientific correctness" that they are ignoring the patients
they have sworn to help.  You have to do both;  both have to be balanced, which
we don't see from some of the posters to this group.  There comes a point when
you just have to use a little common sense, and maybe an empirical approach
(such as trying a good systemic anti-fungal such as Sporanox) after having
exhausted all the other avenues.  I was one of those who the traditional
medical establishment was not able to help, so I did the natural thing:  I
went to a couple of doctor's who are (somewhat) outside this establishment,
and as a result I have found significant relief.

Would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up
some kind of mechanism where any doctor, without fear of being sued or having
his license pulled, can try experimental and unproven (beyond a doubt)
therapies for his/her patients that finally reach the point where all the
accepted therapies are ineffective?  I'd like to hear a doctor tell me:
"well, I've tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this
country, and since they clearly don't work for you, I now have the authority
to use experimental, unproven techniques that seem to have helped others.  I
can't promise anything, and there are some risks.  You will have to sign
something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of
these unproven therapies, and I'll have to register your case at the State
Board."  Anyway, if my ENT had suggested this to me, I would've jumped on this
pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who, for either altruistic
reasons, or for greed, is practicing these alternative therapies with much
risk to him/her (risk meaning losing their license) and possibly to the
patient.  Such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine,
and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free.  It also would
be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the
compassion of the medical community to the patient - that it's doing everything
it can within reason to help the patient.  It is the lack of such a mechanism
that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies, some of
which seem to work (like my case), and others of which will never work at all
(true quackery).

I better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500K in size.


>If taken orally, it can also become a major bacteria in the gut.  Through 
>aresol sprays, it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes.
>But before this innoculation occurs, the mucus membrane barrier system 
>needs to be strengthened.  This is accomplished by vitamin A, vitamin C and 
>some of the B-complex vitamins.  Diet surveys repeatedly show that Americans 
>are not getting enough B6 and folate.  These are probably the segement of 
>the population that will have the greatest problem with this non-existent 
>disorder(candida blooms after antibiotic therapy).

What dosage of B6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper
working of the mucos memebranes?


>Some of the above material was obtained from "Natural Healing" by Mark 
>Bricklin, Published by Rodale press, as well as notes from my human 
>nutrition course.  I will be posting a discussion of vitamin A  sometime in 
>the future, along with reference citings to point out the extremely 
>important role that vitamin A plays in the mucus membrane defense system in 
>the body and why vitamin A should be effective in dealing with candida 
>blooms.  Another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate 
>intake during the treatment phase, this is especially important if the GI 
>system is involved.  If candida can not get glucose, it's not going to out 
>grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria, which can use amino acids and 
>fatty acids for energy, a chance to take over and keep the candida in check 
>once carbohydrate is returned to the gut.

I'd like to see the role of complex carbohydrates, such as starch.


>If Steve and some of the other nay-sayers want to jump all over this post, 
>fine.  I jumped all over Steve in Sci. Med. Nutrition because he verbably 
>accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctor's use of vitamin 
>A and anti-fungals for a candida bloom in her gut.  People seeking advice 
>from newsnet should not be treated this way.  Those of us giving of our 
>time and knowledge can slug it out to our heart's content.  If you saved 
>your venom for me Steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly 
>seeking help alone, I wouldn't have a problem with your behavior. 

Brave soul you are.  The venom on Usenet can be quite toxic unless one
develops an immunity to it.  One year ago, my phlegmatic self would have
backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis.  But my immune
system, and my computer system, have been hardened from gradual
desensitization.  I now kind of like being called "anal retentive" - it has
a nice ring to it.  I also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the
post - truly classic, worthy of a blue (or maybe brown) ribbon.  I might
even cross-post it to alt.best.of.internet.  Hmmm...


>Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
>Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
>Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
>OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine

Thanks again for a great and informative post.  I hope others who have
researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their
thoughts as well, no matter their views on this subject.

Jon Noring


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