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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu sci.space:61262 sci.astro:35052Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!magnesium.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!bogus.sura.net!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!vax1.mankato.msus.edu!belgarathNewsgroups: sci.space,sci.astroSubject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?Message-ID: <1993Apr26.192535.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>From: belgarath@vax1.mankato.msus.eduDate: 26 Apr 93 19:25:35 -0600References: <1radsr$att@access.digex.net> <1993Apr24.221344.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>  <93116.093828SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1993Apr26.141114.19777@midway.uchicago.edu>Organization: Mankato State UniversityNntp-Posting-Host: vax1.mankato.msus.eduLines: 53In article <1993Apr26.141114.19777@midway.uchicago.edu>, pef1@quads.uchicago.edu (it's enrico palazzo!) writes:>> = From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>> >> If all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone>> looked into possible problems with the detectors?> >> That is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that>> could cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these>> things?> >> Graydon> > That would not explain why widely separated detectors, such as on Ulysses> and PVO and Ginga et al., would see a burst at the same time(*).  In fact, be-> fore BATSE, having this widely separated "Interplanetary Network" was the> only sure way to locate a random burst.  With only one detector, one cannot> locate a burst (except to say "It's somewhere in the field of view.").  With> two detectors, one can use the time that the burst is seen in each detector> to narrow the location to a thin annulus on the sky.  With three detectors,> one gets intersecting annuli, giving two possible locations.  If one of these> locations is impossible (because, say, the Earth blocked that part of the > sky), voila, you have an error box.> > BATSE, by having 8 detectors of its own, can do its own location determination,> but only to within about 3 degrees (would someone at GSFC, like David, like> to comment on the current state of location determination?).  Having inde-> pendent sightings by other detectors helps drive down the uncertainty.> > You did touch on something that you didn't mean to, though.  Some believe> (in a reference that I have somewhere) that absorption-like features seen> in a fraction of GRBs can actually be caused by the detector.  It would be> a mean, nasty God, though, that would have a NaI crystal act like a 10^12 Gauss> neutron star...but this is getting too far afield.> > Peter> peterf@oddjob.uchicago.edu>         All of this is VERY valid and very true.  But to add to thisexplaniation, each individual detector also has a built in fail-safe, just sothe detector does not read the background radiation(i.e. cosmic rays), if I remember right, the detectors go off about 3 to 5 sigma above the background.  This is so they don't catch particularly energetic cosmic raysthat would normally set it off. Even with this buffer, they still have to throwout something like 1/2 of the bursts that they DO get, because of the Earth'sVan Allen Belts, the South Atlantic Anomaly, the Sun,  if I remember right,there is either a radar station, or a radio station in Australia, and there area couple other sources as well.                                                  -jeremy                                                belgarath@vax1.mankato.msus.edu

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