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From: [e-mail] (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Waco survivors 1715 19 April
Date: 23 Apr 1993 20:26:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mitchell S Todd) writes:

> >David Koresh's lawyer seemed to think that everyone *would* come out
> >peacefully sooner or later.  The FBI and ATF had NOTHING BUT TIME ON
> >THEIR HANDS!  Why did they have to escalate the situation and cause
> >this senseless tragedy?  Their job is to protect the public and SAVE
> >LIVES NOT KILL PEOPLE for crying out loud.
> 
> 	Koresh had lied and lied and lied about coming out of the
> 	compound. To the FBI. To his lawyer. To just about everyone.

I keep hearing this, but every assertion of this form has come from
government sources except two.  As far as I am concerned, I am not
ready to stipulate that Koresh EVER promised to come out except for
his first promise and his last promise.

The first promise was conditional on his audio tape being given 
NATIONAL exposure.  Well, it never was -- it was broadcast locally,
in a chopped-up fashion, and that's all.  And even then, they cleverly 
cut it off when it got to the part where he demanded "national exposure,"
but not so cleverly that we didn't hear it.

The last promise was conditional on the finishing of his manuscript.
We'll never know if he would have kept that one.

> 	The FBI etc. can't wait forever for Koresh to come out. As
> 	long as they thought that Koresh's intended to surrender 
> 	peacefully. When they lost hope in that, they decided to go
> 	in. 

Strangely enough, the previous day they said they were prepared to
"wait as long as it takes."

>	Further, while the Mondays tactics were silly and clumsy,
>	they were obviously intended to drive the Davidians out of the
> 	compound, not to kill Koresh and his followers. 

Quite possible.  But arguments of intent do not mark the dividing 
line between guilt and innocence -- only the line between murder and 
negligent manslaughter.

> 	*If* it is true. *I* read in the paper that the government 
> 	listening devices inside the compound picked up orders to 
> 	burn the joint down shortly before the fire was started. I'm
> 	waiting to see what the tapes really hold.

This would be an interesting development.

> 	The Davidian may be telling the truth, or he may be lying
> 	to save his skin from possible murder charges resulting from
> 	the blaze. Koresh's lawyer, being the attorney for at least
> 	one surviving Davidian, has an interest in claiming that
> 	the gov't caused the fire, at least as much as the gov't
> 	has an interest in blaming Koresh for the fire. It's the
> 	physical evidence that will decide who's telling what.

It's too tempting for one or more of the survivors to "go state's
evidence," parrot the FBI story, hang the whole "suicide" on Koresh, 
claim they only stayed at gunpoint, etc.  If any of them do this
in the next few weeks, it doesn't prove much; but if none of them
do, it would be a strong indication to me that the FBI story is
dead wrong.
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