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Newsgroups: talk.politics.gunsPath: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!uunet!boulder!ucsu!ucsu.Colorado.EDU!fcraryFrom: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)Subject: Re: the usualMessage-ID: <1993Apr6.140756.29159@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System)Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.eduOrganization: University of Colorado, BoulderReferences: <1993Apr1.145815.13383@lds.loral.com> <1pj1s8INN48k@gap.caltech.edu> <viking.734084516@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 14:07:56 GMTLines: 77In article <viking.734084516@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:>>Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement.>>Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive>>decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the>>weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things.>>(Can you say "neutron flux"?)> Can you say, "I get more background radiation from living in>Denver or having an office in a limestone building than I do standing>next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear>warhead that is armed?" Look up "shielding" in your dictionary. You>don't need six feet of lead to make decent shielding; your dead skin>cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles, and neutrons>are slowed by mere *water*. What do you think 75% of you is?But whatever the neutrons hit has a good chance of absorbing theneutron and becoming radioactive itself. Mostly, that means waterturning into (harmless) heavy water. But some neutrons would also hit bones, and the resulting harmfull, secondard radioactiveswould remain in the body for decades. I think an unshielded nuclearwarhead could reasonably be considered a public health hazard.As for a shielded warhead, I think a fair amount of maintainceis required for it to remain safely shielded (e.g. storage ina dry, temperature-regulated facility, etc...) For privateownership to be unregulated, I think a single individual mustbe able not only to keep the weapon, but keep it in a safecondition. If any random private citizen could not properlykeep, maintain and store a nuclear weapon, then some regulationis clearly appropriate.>> Plus these things have no self->>defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as>>a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use>>(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration>>(translation: cities and population centers).> If the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal>government, they are indeed useful weapons to the militia.I disagree with this purpose: The job of the militia is to defendthemselves and their community. If you look at the American revolution as an example, the militias won by seperating themselvesfrom, and becoming independent of, a repressive government. Theydidn't overthrow it, and those communities (Canada and England, for example) that didn't defend themselves were still under that sameold regime. If the role of the militia were offensive, to go out anddestroy repressive governments, nuclear weapons _might_ be appropriate.But their jobs is defensive, and nuclear weapons aren't suitedfor that.There is also the question of personal and collective arms: TheSecond Amendment definately protects ownership of personalweapons (since the very nature of the militia requires membersto provide their own arms.) But it isn't clear if it coversother arms. Certainly, not all members would supply (for example)a tank, only a few could or (if they were to be used effectively)should. However, those providing the heavy weapons have a disproportionate control over the militia and its fierpower.The militias, as the framers envisioned them, were extremelydemocratic: If only 50% of the members supported the cause, only50% would respond to a muster, and the militia's firepower wouldbe proportionately reduced. Militia firepower and the popularwill were, therefore, linked. But if a small minority of themembers supplied a large fraction of the firepower (in theform of heavy weapons) this would all change: The militia'sfirepower would depend on the will of a small minority, notof the general public. Worse, that minority would be quitedifferent from the general public (at the very least, theywould be much richer.) As a result, I think the nature andcharacter of the militia requires that each member providea roughly equal share of the militia's firepower: His personalweapons, and some equitable fraction of a squad's heavier firepower. Frank Crary CU Boulder
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