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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu talk.politics.guns:54535 talk.politics.drugs:13653 alt.rush-limbaugh:23689Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!bogus.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!dgs4Organization: Penn State UniversityDate: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:48:19 EDTFrom: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>Message-ID: <93111.144819DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.drugs,alt.rush-limbaughSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport"References: <Apr15.031823.58525@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <C5KsE0.5px.1@cs.cmu.edu> <1993Apr19.162137.1306@hsh.com>Lines: 50In article <1993Apr19.162137.1306@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) says:>>In article <C5KsE0.5px.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith) writes:>> In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>                       U>fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.ED>(Frank Crary) writes:>>>In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:>>>>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know,>do>>>>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it>>>>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?>>>>>>This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical>>>coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future>>>national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured>>>must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital,>>>you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills.>>>In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them,>>>you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do>>>so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within>>>24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need>>>your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly>>>wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry>>>the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage.>>>>> Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on>the>> head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen.  This happened to>> me, and it took six months to sort the mess out.  These sorts of plans sound>> nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and>> bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve.>>>>                               Tom the non hacker>>Whoa!  Have a care what you say, Tom.  The _obvious_ answer to that problem>is to tatoo your National I.D. Number on you -- say, your forearm -- so you>can never leave home without it.  Hell, it worked once before...>>And that brings us back to my original, sarcasm-laden post:  where's the>outcry from the liberal sector over the National ID Card?  My God, if some>conservative had proposed this -- plus Clinton's "National Police" proposal>-- the liberals would be shrieking "Sieg Heil!" and "Police State"!>>You self-styled liberals ought to be ashamed of yourselves.  Hypocrites!I don't know what you watch, but I saw a spokesman for the ACLU voiceopposition to this idea on NBC the very first night.

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