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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu talk.politics.guns:54302 talk.politics.misc:178613 soc.culture.jewish:63086Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!magnesium.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!yale.edu!yale!gumby!destroyer!news.itd.umich.edu!ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu!jloveFrom: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.jewishSubject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?Date: 20 Apr 1993 14:23:36 GMTOrganization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organizationLines: 31Message-ID: <1r1118$4vs@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>References: <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu> <1993Apr20.054839.14002@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.eduIn article <1993Apr20.054839.14002@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:>What, exactly, do you think the Jewish zelots at Masada did? They >poisoned themselves and their families, when they were sure there>was on other choice but submission or death. Why are you holding>the "Branch Davidian" to a higher standard than the Jews?Although I can understand why you think the comparison might be valid,I would have to disagree. The Jews who found themselves alone againstRome on Masada faced a future which was infinitely bleaker than the onefaced by the Branch Davidians. The latter, in reality, would likelyhave been charged with weapons violations and other sorts of crimes.Most of them would have likely gotten off entirely. It is highlyunlikely that anyone other than Vernon Howell would have been beenimprisoned for very long. But regardless, most of the people, andcertainly all of the children, would have been allowed to leave, and ifthey so chose, join another cult.The Jews on Masada well understood their likely fate from what hadalready happened. Had they surrendered, the men of fighting age wouldprobably have been put to death, perhaps crucified. The women andchildren would have been enslaved. None of them would have been likelyto practice their religion again.I understand that Howell/Koresh and perhaps others will argue that thefate of the Branch Davidians was "equally" onerous and that they werefighting for religious freedom. I guest that's a judgement call...-- ________________________________________Jack F. Love | Opinions expressed are mine alone. | (Unless you happen to agree.)
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