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Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu alt.conspiracy:21878 alt.activism:42944 talk.politics.guns:54570 soc.culture.jewish:63317Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.jewishPath: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornell!batcomputer!caen!umeecs!news-server!kcklugeFrom: kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge)Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/....In-Reply-To: arf@genesis.MCS.COM's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500Message-ID: <KCKLUGE.93Apr16155756@krusty.eecs.umich.edu>Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News)Organization: University of MichiganReferences: <1qanj0$22d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1ql3r1$o2t@genesis.MCS.COM>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:57:56 GMTLines: 21> From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)> Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/....> Date: 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500> > I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in> our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward> one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished > values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the> clues....Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that > we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty....and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed andmoaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the Kingallowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year!Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organizationchange. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil libertiesin the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it'sa waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focuson trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization areacceptable than it iss to lament the passing of the old forms.
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