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Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!magnesium.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!sw.stratus.com!cdtFrom: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)Newsgroups: talk.politics.gunsSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express CardDate: 24 Apr 1993 02:21:48 GMTOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.Lines: 128Distribution: worldMessage-ID: <1ra87s$m2o@transfer.stratus.com>References: <CMM.0.90.2.734814613.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no>         <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com>         <CMM.0.90.2.734911642.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no>         <viking.734945095@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> <CMM.0.90.2.735132009.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no> <1quofo$rh5@transfer.stratus.com> <9l15qxn@rpi.edu>NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.comIn article <9l15qxn@rpi.edu>, lswilfin@mercury.ral.rpi.edu (Lee S Wilfinger) writes:> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:> > >Obnly something like 12% of guns used in crime in the US are purchased > >from legitimate dealers (and not necessarily by the person who used them> >in the crime).  So we already HAVE that much "gun control."> > I've seen this mentioned a number of times. I'm curious; what is the> source for this statistic? The number bounces between 2% and 18%, depending on the study quoted andthe type of gun being studied.Some cites:---------------------------------------A recent BATF study (titled "Protecting America, Yes") surveyed 471 career criminals and found that only 7% of guns used in violent crimes werepurchased from retail dealers.---------------------------------------National Institute of JusticeResearch in BriefNovember 1986                        The Armed Criminal in America                              by James D. Wright(1) Legitimate firearms retailers play only a minor role as direct    sources of handguns for adult felony offenders.Only about one-sixth of the gun-owning felons obtained their mostrecent handguns through a customary retail transaction involving alicensed firearms dealer.  The remainder -- five out of six --obtained them via informal, off-the-record transactions involvingfriends and associates, family members, and various black marketoutlets.  The means of acquisition from these informal sourcesincluded cash purchase, swaps and trades, borrowing and renting, andoften theft.  The criminal handgun market is overwhelmingly dominatedby informal transactions and theft as mechanisms of supply.---------------------------------------INDEPENDENCE ISSUE PAPER No. 4- 91Independence Institute14142 Denver West Parkway #101Golden, CO 80401 (303) 279-6536              WHY GUN WAITING PERIODS THREATEN PUBLIC SAFETY                             By David B. Kopel     The basic problem with waiting periods is shown by a Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco and Firearms study of gun dealer sales in Des Moines and Greenville.The study found that about one to two percent of sales were to dangerouscriminals.[51]  In short, waiting periods have no statistically noticeableimpact on any type of crime because only a tiny fraction of crime gunsare purchased at retail by ineligible buyers.51. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Assistant Director of CriminalEnforcement, Memorandum to Director, July 10, 1975 (Greenville survey; of20,047 names submitted to FBI for record checks, 68 had felony convictions;of those, 41 had not been represented by counsel at their conviction or whocommitted crimes in the distant past; twenty-seven buyers were prosecuted)(of the 1.3% of buyers selected for prosecution, .9% had non-violent felonyconvictions, and .4% had violent convictions). Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco andFirearms, Assistant Director for Criminal Enforcement, memorandum toDirector, May 8, 1975 (of 374 records checked, 39 were purchasers with felonyrecords who were not appropriate for prosecution because of age ornon-violent nature of felony; six purchasers were prosecuted).---------------------------------------INDEPENDENCE ISSUE PAPER No. 12-91                          THE ASSAULT WEAPON PANIC:                      POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" TAKES AIM                            AT THE CONSTITUTION                      By Eric Morgan and David Kopel     Testimony before Congress revealed that most "assault weapons" in thehands of criminals were obtained through illegal channels.{97}  The testimonyis consistent with the National Institute of Justice's research findingsbased on studies of felons in state prisons. The NU study, authored bysociologists James D. Wright and Peter Rossi found that only sixteen percentof criminals had obtained their most recent handgun from a gun store. (Thefigures included purchases by legal surrogates, rather than directly by thecriminal.) Wright and Rossi, who had begun their research as firm proponentsof gun control, concluded that no set of controls on retail purchases, andprobably not even full scale gun prohibition, would reduce criminal use ofguns. Wright and Rossi suggested that lawmakers concerned about gun crimedirectly target the black market in criminal guns, andleave the legitimate retail market alone.{98}   Not surprisingly, Wrightbelieves that the consequences of current "assault weapon" legislation onstreet violence are likely to be ineffective.{99}   He warns that guncontrols aimed at ordinary citizens are less likely to reduce the pool ofcriminal guns than to provide organized crime with lucrative newbusiness.{100}6.   _See, _e.g., The Anti-drug, Assault Weapons Limitation Act of 1989. S.Rep. No. 160, 101st. Cong., 1st. Sess. 6-8 (1989) [hereinafter SENATE REPORT](introduced by Senator DeConcini to reduce semiautomatic firearms abuse bydrug traffickers and violent criminals); Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons ControlAct of 1989, CAL. PENAL CODE $$ 12275-12290 (West 1990) [hereinafter Roberti-Roos]; MD. ANN. CODE art. 27 $$ 442,481E (1989) (placing greater restrictionson 17 varieties of "assault weapons," and providing punishments for failureto comply or attempts to evade).97.  SENATE REPORT, _supra note 6, at 17.98.  James Wright & Peter Rossi, ARMED AND CONSIDERED DANGEROUS: A SURVEY OFFELONS AND THEIR FIREARMS (New York: Aldine de Gruyter, 1986).99.  _Lock _and _Load _for _the _Gunfight _of _'89, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REP.,March 27, 1989, at 9 [hereinafter _Gunfight]. Wright also said, "If criminalscan get all the drugs they want, they can get guns, too." _Id.100. James Wright, "Second Thoughts About Gun Control," 91 _The _Public_Interest (Spring 1988), at 30-3 1.-- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...

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