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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Westine & Postel [Page 29]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991 e. Message Sent to Coordinator From westine@venera.isi.edu Thu Nov 8 13:58:40 1990 Posted-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST To: dougm@osi.ncsl.nist.gov Cc: westine@venera.isi.edu Subject: RE: 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster... User unknown Reply-To: westine@venera.isi.edu Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST From: Ann Westine <westine@venera.isi.edu> Hi Doug, If the Postmaster is "unknown" please delete him from your exploder list "ietf@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov". I have been receiving error messages like this one for several days now. If I don't hear from you, I will have to delete the above mailbox. Ann > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down > 550 Postmaster... User unknown~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ f. Message From Coordinator Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:34:02 EST From: Doug Montgomery <dougm@warthog.ncsl.nist.gov> Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Sub-Organization: National Computer Systems Laboratory To: westine@ISI.EDU Subject: RE: 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster... User unknown Cc: staff@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov I think I have found out what is wrong. For some reason (we can discuss this below) your exploder is sending IETF mail to our exploder (ietf@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov) through the machine osi.ncsl.nist.gov. Now due to a recent subnet reconfiguration and subsequent lack of update to our DNS servers, the DNS was returning an incorrect address for osi3. Thus IETF mail would be sent to OSI, which would try to forward it to OSI3 (using the wrong address). OSI would think that OSI3 was down and dump the message, trying to send a notice to Postmaster. OSI doesn't have an aliase for Postmaster and thus the second error message that you saw.Westine & Postel [Page 30]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991 These two problems have been fixed on OSI. Now the question is what address you have in your distribution list that would cause this mail to go through OSI in the first place. I guess you might have something like "ietf%osi3@osi.ncsl.nist.gov." The other interesting point about your list is that we receive IETF mail to our exploder directly from venera. Thus I suspect that there are two entries for OSI3 on your distribution list. One that gets relayed through OSI and one that points directly to OSI3. If this is the case please deleted everything except the "ietf@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov." address. If this is not the case or if there are other problems let me know.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ g. My Reply Back Here are all the addresses I have on the IETF list under NIST.GOV. ietf@OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV, mills@OSI.NCSL.NIST.GOV I'll deleted "mills@osi.ncsl.nist.gov". Here are two others at NIST hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV, sting@CAM.NIST.GOV By the way, on the following message, it looks like the Mailer-Daemon message went from OSI.ncsl.nist.gov to enh.nist.gov to venera.isi.edu. --AnnWestine & Postel [Page 31]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991 Return-Path: Mailer-Daemon@osi.ncsl.nist.gov Received-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id <AA19131>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST Received: from enh.nist.gov by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local) id <AA03448>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:01 -0800 Received: from OSI.NCSL.NIST.GOV by ENH.NIST.GOV; Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:43 EDT Received: by osi.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB14654; Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST From: Mailer-Daemon@osi.ncsl.nist.gov Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: owner-ietf@ISI.EDU Message-Id: <9011082039.AB14654@osi.ncsl.nist.gov> X-Envelope-To: owner-ietf@venera.isi.edu ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows -----~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ h. Another Problem .Forward From: Doug Montgomery <dougm@warthog.ncsl.nist.gov> Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) To: westine@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: 421 osi3:Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster.. User unknown Deleting the mills@osi.ncsl.nist.gov entry should fix your problems. Mills has a .forward to osi3, thus explaining why IETF mail was going ---> OSI ---> OSI3. I checked OSI's sendmail.cf and it is relaying through enh. This, though has nothing to do with the previous problem. I flushed the queue of IETF mail on OSI waiting to go to OSI3. I don't think you should see anymore bounced messages. Sorry that our local problems were causing you grief .... let me know if it happens again.************************************************************************Westine & Postel [Page 32]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991F.14. File Over Allocation Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700 From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user open with ames.arc.nasa.gov Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700 To: owner-ietf ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> QUIT <<< 421 sage.acc.com SMTP Service not available: insufficient disk space. 451 bboard.ietf@SAGE.ACC.COM... reply: read error bboard.ietf@SAGE.ACC.COM... reply: read error************************************************************************F.15. File Deleted Date: Fri, 10 Aug 90 14:21:57 EDT From: Daemon <daemon@ccj.bbn.com> Subject: Undeliverable mail To: westine Mail could not be delivered to the following address(es): /usr/databases/bugs/vaxmail@ccj.bbn.com: No such file or directory************************************************************************F.16. Strange Postmaster a. Message Forwarded to IETF-Request Forwarded: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:09 PST Forwarded: westine Forwarded: postmaster@mbunix.mitre.org Forwarded: galvin@TIS.COM Return-Path: galvin@TIS.COM Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4) id <AA03679>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST Posted-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500 Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local) id <AA26292>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:01 -0800 Received: from TIS.COM by TIS.COM (4.1/SUN-5.64DB)Westine & Postel [Page 33]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991 id AA04098; Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:13 EST Reply-To: James M Galvin <galvin@TIS.COM> To: ietf-request@ISI.EDU Subject: Failed Mail to IETF Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500 From: James M Galvin <galvin@TIS.COM> ------- Forwarded Message Message-ID: <9102160528.AA27189@mbunix.mitre.org> From: galvin@tis.com <galvin@TIS.COM> To: Bill_Anderson.G113_MAIL@qmgate.mitre.org Date: 15 Feb 91 21:28:28 Subject: Can't Find MailCenter! <text deleted>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ b. Problem Reported to MITRE To: postmaster@mbunix.mitre.org Cc: westine, galvin@TIS.COM Subject: RE: Can't Find MailCenter! Reply-To: westine@isi.edu Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:01 PST From: Ann Westine <westine@venera.isi.edu> Hi, We're getting this problem again. Please fix. Thank you. Ann ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500 From: James M Galvin <galvin@TIS.COM> To: ietf-request@ISI.EDU Subject: Failed Mail to IETF ------- Forwarded Message Message-ID: <9102160528.AA27189@mbunix.mitre.org> From: galvin@tis.com <galvin@TIS.COM> To: Bill_Anderson.G113_MAIL@qmgate.mitre.org Date: 15 Feb 91 21:28:28 Subject: Can't Find MailCenter!Westine & Postel [Page 34]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991 GatorMail-Q Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/ Received: by qmgate; 15 Feb 91 21:28:25 Received: by mbunix.mitre.org (5.57/4.7) id AA25128; Fri, 15 Feb 91 21:26:46 EST Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local) id <AA17839>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:12 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500 Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800 Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local) id <AA17833>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800 Message-Id: <9102151645.AA26445@TIS.COM> Reply-To: James M Galvin <galvin@tis.com> To: Megan Davies <mdavies@nri.reston.va.us> Cc: ietf@venera.isi.edu Subject: Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/ST. LOUIS In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:44:13 EST. <9102141744.aa15663@NRI.NRI.Reston.VA.US> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500 From: James M Galvin <galvin@tis.com> <text deleted>************************************************************************F.17. Message Too Large Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 17:50:10 MDT From: MAILER-DAEMON@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable To: <westine@ISI.EDU> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 olear@niwot.scd.ucar.edu... Message is too large; 50000 bytes max 554 olear@niwot.scd.ucar.edu... Service unavailable************************************************************************Westine & Postel [Page 35]RFC 1211 Problems with Mailing Lists March 1991F.18. Vacation Messages a. Case 1 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 15:28:30 PDT From: David Wasley <dlw@violet.berkeley.edu> Subject: I am away from e-mail This_Message_Brought_To_You_By: the vacation program Apparently-To: owner-ietf@venera.isi.edu I am away from e-mail until October 13. If your message requires immediate attention, please contact one of the people below: Network problems: Austin Shelton <austins@violet.Berkeley.EDU> Network information: Bill Wells <netinfo@violet.Berkeley.EDU> Network installation: Jim Allison <jca@violet.Berkeley.EDU> If you're really desparate, leave me voice-mail at (415) 642-3478. Thanks for your patience! David Wasley, U C Berkeley~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ b. Case 2 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 18:17:12 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON@dsl.cis.upenn.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 To: <mmm-people-request@ISI.EDU> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: vacation: not found 554 "|vacation farber"... unknown mailer error 1************************************************************************F.19. LocaL Configuration Errors Date: Tue, 14 Aug 90 00:36:51 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON@nyu.edu Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error To: <owner-ietf> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 <russell@NYU.EDU>,<ittai@NYU.EDU>... Local configuration error************************************************************************Westine & Postel [Page 36]RFC 1211
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