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><I> FreeBSD, in Linux ideas flow much more freely and .. well .. I've seen </I><BR>><I> some cool ideas implemented by ugly code. :) </I><BR>><I> </I><BR> From my work on the PostgreSQL stuff, porting and developing for <BR>the various Unix OSs out there, all I can say is that Linux is the *worst* <BR>thing we have to deal with...*mainly* because of the poor distribution <BR>mechanism that they have. <BR> <BR> One distribution will have option A, that is required, while <BR>the other distribution won't have it, so that an installer has to go <BR>out and find, grab and install it manually (libdl.a, should be standard, <BR>no?) <BR> <BR> Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, FreeBSD kicks butt in the fact <BR>that everything *is* centralized...we *know* that the only thing we have <BR>to compensate for is variations in versions, and even then, I haven't had <BR>any problems running 3.0 binaries on 2.2 machines, so even variations in <BR>versions haven't hampered us much. <BR> <BR>Marc G. Fournier <BR> <BR>-- <BR>Kanzaki Hitomi <---> Van Fanel Tenku no Escaflowne <BR>Ayanami Rei <---> Ikari Shinji Shin seiki Evangelion <BR>Tamahome <---> Miaka Fushigi Yuugi <BR>dream lovers.... Fansubber wanna-be <BR> <BR>※ 来源:·BBS 水木清华站 bbs.net.tsinghua.edu.cn·[FROM: attila.stevens-] <BR>发信人: ayanami (Kanzaki Hitomi), 信区: Linux <BR>标 题: bsd vs linux 7 <BR>发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Wed Dec 3 14:52:48 1997) <BR> <BR>Subject: Another Linux Religious war (was Re: Commercial vendors registry) <BR> <BR>God I love a good religious battle, don't you? <BR> <BR>I agree with Jordan - this is getting quite out of hand. <BR> <BR>Just remember people - Linux is *NOT* an Operating system in itself. <BR>FreeBSD *IS* because when you get FreeBSD you get the kernel, binaries, <BR>sources, man pages, blah blah blah. <BR> <BR>Linux isn't like that. The Linux operating system comes about when <BR>you install particular distribution. <BR> <BR>Linux is more flexible, which I think contributes to its success. <BR>Someone said "hey, I don't like how thats done, so lets do it <BR>differently", and out comes a distribution. People have that choice. <BR> <BR>Please, this isn't a "My OS is better/bigger than your OS" <BR>discussion/arguement/whatnot, and I think its delved a lot more off the <BR>original thread. <BR> <BR>Both linux and FreeBSD have their good and bad points, and unless you are <BR>going to constructively point them out, don't say anything. <BR> <BR> <BR>-- <BR>Adrian Chadd | UNIX, MS-DOS and Windows ... <BR> | (also known as the Good, the bad and the <BR> | ugly..) <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>-- <BR>Kanzaki Hitomi <---> Van Fanel Tenku no Escaflowne <BR>Ayanami Rei <---> Ikari Shinji Shin seiki Evangelion <BR>Tamahome <---> Miaka Fushigi Yuugi <BR>dream lovers.... Fansubber wanna-be <BR> <BR>※ 来源:·BBS 水木清华站 bbs.net.tsinghua.edu.cn·[FROM: attila.stevens-] <BR>发信人: ayanami (Kanzaki Hitomi), 信区: Linux <BR>标 题: bsd vs linux 8 <BR>发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Wed Dec 3 14:53:38 1997) <BR> <BR>Subject: Re: Commercial vendors registry <BR> <BR> [The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set] <BR> [Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set] <BR> [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly] <BR> <BR>Jim Bryant wrote: <BR>><I> </I><BR>><I> </I><BR>><I> [retreiveing two cents from pocket and tossing it into the hat] </I><BR>><I> </I><BR>><I> This is exactly the kind of bs discussion that has kept US from going </I><BR>><I> out and getting commercial support for FreeBSD... </I><BR>><I> </I><BR>><I> Case in point... Lin[s]ux... Ten-Twenty different versions, bad </I><BR>><I> networking, even worse VM... Vendors love it!! Why? Hmmmm... </I><BR>><I> </I><BR>I was discussing a similar issue the other day with Richard Stallman (he <BR>also asked me to say GNU-Linux when referring to Linux). I was <BR>commenting how Caldera is killing Linux by effectively closing it's <BR>development: you cannot ftp Caldera's OpenLinux and most of the <BR>commercial applications want to have an OpenLinux license. We both <BR>agreed that if people don't support free software we will be left with <BR>the same situation UNIX has suffered: a big number of incompatible <BR>versions with fixes from different vendors. <BR>All-in-all Linux4s license was specifically designed to avoid this <BR>situation. Our license is much more attractive for commercial vendors, <BR>and strangely we don't have that problem. <BR>I believe Linux acceptance was a matter of timing. In those days ATT <BR>wanted to own an OS that the public needed. The only winners after the <BR>legal suit were Microsoft and in a lesser scale Linux. <BR>Some vendors say they prefer Linux because there is bigger support on <BR>the net and there are more books on Linux...Well I don't feel like <BR>baby-sitting anyway. <BR>I like the things how they are now, after all....one small group of <BR>committers can work in a more organized way, without the pressure of <BR>bazillion "Microsofted" users that think an OS depends only on it's GUI. <BR> <BR>Everything seems to show that we can emulate Linux better than Caldera <BR>does and that knowledgeable people will turn to FreeBSD when the time <BR>comes. In the end, Linux is a toyland where hackers can explore <BR>possibilities that will feed FreeBSD sooner or later. <BR>One thing I have clear, though, is that if commercial vendors of FreeBSD <BR>products win we also win, so ...the idea of a commercial vendors <BR>registry is good (and we also need to control them somehow :-)). <BR> <BR>Let's leave the discusion of FreeBSD's development vs. amount of <BR>commercial followers closed...OK? <BR>><I> </I><BR>><I> I have ran FreeBSD since 1.1.5.1, and still say it is the best </I><BR>><I> available on PC's... Yes it is work in progress... The only </I><BR>><I> program/operating system that is not work in progress is the one that </I><BR>><I> just got degaussed... </I><BR>><I> </I><BR>When I first knew FreeBSD (2.0.5) it was considered a networking box. If <BR>you wanted something for human use, Linux was a more recommendable <BR>option. This gap has closed significantly due to the excellent ports <BR>collection and the strong CD distribution. The only thing that speaks <BR>bad of us is that Linux became multiplatform first, when we had an <BR>excellent example to follow ! <BR> <BR> <BR>Pedro. <BR> <BR> <BR>><I> I sure as h*ll don't hear no fat lady singing the demise of FreeBSD... </I><BR>
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