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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I&nbsp;don't&nbsp;know,&nbsp;I&nbsp;guess&nbsp;some&nbsp;...&nbsp;Netscape&nbsp;Navigator&nbsp;4&nbsp;isn't&nbsp;too&nbsp;bad,&nbsp;I&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;use&nbsp;that.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(One&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;attendants&nbsp;said&nbsp;&quot;It&nbsp;doesn't&nbsp;meet&nbsp;your&nbsp;first&nbsp;criterion&nbsp;very&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;well,&nbsp;it&nbsp;crashes&nbsp;all&nbsp;the&nbsp;time!&quot;)&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's&nbsp;interesting,&nbsp;it&nbsp;never&nbsp;crashes...&nbsp;well,&nbsp;in&nbsp;my&nbsp;experience&nbsp;it's&nbsp;not&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;too&nbsp;bad.&nbsp;That's&nbsp;the&nbsp;only&nbsp;piece&nbsp;of&nbsp;binary&nbsp;only&nbsp;software&nbsp;I&nbsp;use&nbsp;with&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;frequency......&nbsp;<BR>
(Netscape这不是纯粹欺负咱们么?&nbsp;凭什么...不过ESR是牛人,&nbsp;连二进制码都怕他..55~)&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(suddenly&nbsp;one&nbsp;software&nbsp;seemed&nbsp;to&nbsp;flash&nbsp;through&nbsp;his&nbsp;mind)&nbsp;.....oh,&nbsp;OH!&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This&nbsp;is&nbsp;even&nbsp;a&nbsp;windows&nbsp;software.&nbsp;Wow!&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The&nbsp;only&nbsp;program&nbsp;that&nbsp;I&nbsp;spend&nbsp;any&nbsp;time&nbsp;running&nbsp;on&nbsp;windows&nbsp;machine,&nbsp;is&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;a&nbsp;game&nbsp;called&nbsp;&quot;Civilization&quot;.&nbsp;That's&nbsp;a&nbsp;pretty&nbsp;good&nbsp;programs.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;文明?&nbsp;谁玩过?&nbsp;看看是不是个&quot;好程序&quot;.&nbsp;看来ESR好象说谎哦.&nbsp;M$&nbsp;Winbugs难道&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;不是另外的binary&nbsp;programme?&nbsp;//sigh&nbsp;)&nbsp;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do&nbsp;you&nbsp;have&nbsp;it&nbsp;here&nbsp;in&nbsp;Japan?&nbsp;It's&nbsp;a&nbsp;strategy&nbsp;game....&nbsp;(He&nbsp;gave&nbsp;an&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;almost&nbsp;complete&nbsp;description&nbsp;of&nbsp;&quot;Civilization&quot;,&nbsp;and&nbsp;seemed&nbsp;to&nbsp;keep&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;talking&nbsp;about&nbsp;it&nbsp;on&nbsp;and&nbsp;on...&nbsp;)&nbsp;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;....may&nbsp;we&nbsp;go&nbsp;on&nbsp;to&nbsp;our&nbsp;next&nbsp;question?&nbsp;(We&nbsp;only&nbsp;had&nbsp;limited&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;time&nbsp;for&nbsp;this&nbsp;interview,&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&nbsp;had&nbsp;to&nbsp;say&nbsp;this.)&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;Yes,&nbsp;of&nbsp;course.&nbsp;(laugh)&nbsp;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;About&nbsp;Ken&nbsp;Thompson's&nbsp;comment&nbsp;on&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;on&nbsp;IEEE&nbsp;Computer&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;magazine.&nbsp;He&nbsp;mentioned&nbsp;that&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;was&nbsp;worse&nbsp;than&nbsp;NT,&nbsp;and&nbsp;moreover,&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that&nbsp;was&nbsp;about&nbsp;reliability.&nbsp;You&nbsp;have&nbsp;clarified&nbsp;what&nbsp;he&nbsp;meant&nbsp;later,&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;but&nbsp;that&nbsp;part&nbsp;was&nbsp;not&nbsp;included.&nbsp;So&nbsp;would&nbsp;you&nbsp;clarify&nbsp;on&nbsp;this&nbsp;point,&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;too?&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;I&nbsp;think&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;key&nbsp;thing&nbsp;that&nbsp;he&nbsp;said&nbsp;that&nbsp;should&nbsp;be&nbsp;understood&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;he&nbsp;specifically&nbsp;said&nbsp;that&nbsp;his&nbsp;experience&nbsp;was&nbsp;that&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;on&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;non-PC&nbsp;hardware&nbsp;was&nbsp;not&nbsp;reliable.&nbsp;If&nbsp;you&nbsp;go&nbsp;back&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;original&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;interview,&nbsp;that's&nbsp;what&nbsp;he&nbsp;said,&nbsp;which&nbsp;makes&nbsp;me&nbsp;suspect&nbsp;that&nbsp;he&nbsp;was&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;using&nbsp;some&nbsp;flaky&nbsp;marginal&nbsp;port&nbsp;on&nbsp;an&nbsp;Alpha&nbsp;or&nbsp;PowerPC.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And&nbsp;it's&nbsp;true&nbsp;that&nbsp;those&nbsp;ports&nbsp;are&nbsp;not&nbsp;as&nbsp;reliable&nbsp;as&nbsp;the&nbsp;PC&nbsp;Linux,&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;because&nbsp;they&nbsp;haven't&nbsp;had&nbsp;much&nbsp;use.&nbsp;They&nbsp;have&nbsp;not&nbsp;as&nbsp;much&nbsp;time&nbsp;for&nbsp;bugs&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;shaken&nbsp;out&nbsp;of&nbsp;them.&nbsp;The&nbsp;interesting&nbsp;thing&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;fact&nbsp;that&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;he&nbsp;specified&nbsp;non-PC&nbsp;hardware&nbsp;suggests&nbsp;that&nbsp;he&nbsp;had&nbsp;seen&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;one&nbsp;on&nbsp;PC&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so&nbsp;he&nbsp;had&nbsp;knew&nbsp;actually&nbsp;that&nbsp;was&nbsp;reliable.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But&nbsp;I&nbsp;wasn't&nbsp;able&nbsp;to&nbsp;get&nbsp;him&nbsp;to&nbsp;get&nbsp;me&nbsp;more&nbsp;details&nbsp;about&nbsp;them.&nbsp;I&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;asked&nbsp;him&nbsp;what&nbsp;machine&nbsp;he's&nbsp;seen&nbsp;and&nbsp;he&nbsp;failed&nbsp;on,&nbsp;and&nbsp;he&nbsp;didn't&nbsp;tell&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;me.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I&nbsp;couldn't&nbsp;wrote&nbsp;it&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;press&nbsp;about&nbsp;that.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But&nbsp;that's&nbsp;the&nbsp;interesting&nbsp;point,&nbsp;I&nbsp;think&nbsp;he&nbsp;may&nbsp;have&nbsp;seen&nbsp;some&nbsp;non-PC&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;port&nbsp;of&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;that&nbsp;was&nbsp;pretty&nbsp;marginal.&nbsp;He&nbsp;did&nbsp;say&nbsp;that&nbsp;he&nbsp;thinks&nbsp;open&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;sources&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;good&nbsp;idea&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&nbsp;was&nbsp;very&nbsp;relieved&nbsp;about&nbsp;that.&nbsp;(laughs)&nbsp;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ken&nbsp;saying&nbsp;&quot;Linux&nbsp;is&nbsp;no&nbsp;good&quot;&nbsp;is&nbsp;like&nbsp;having&nbsp;Eisai&nbsp;come&nbsp;back&nbsp;and&nbsp;say&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;Zen&nbsp;is&nbsp;no&nbsp;good,&nbsp;it's&nbsp;disturbing!&quot;&nbsp;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This&nbsp;was&nbsp;actually&nbsp;Eric's&nbsp;Zen&nbsp;joke,&nbsp;which&nbsp;I&nbsp;and&nbsp;other&nbsp;Japanese&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;attendants&nbsp;there&nbsp;didn't&nbsp;understand....&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;According&nbsp;to&nbsp;a&nbsp;Japanese&nbsp;dictionary&nbsp;:-),&nbsp;Eisai&nbsp;was&nbsp;an&nbsp;old&nbsp;Japanese&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Buddhist&nbsp;monk&nbsp;who&nbsp;first&nbsp;brought&nbsp;Zen&nbsp;to&nbsp;Japan&nbsp;from&nbsp;China.&nbsp;Therefore&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Eisai&nbsp;saying&nbsp;&quot;(Japanese)&nbsp;Zen&nbsp;is&nbsp;no&nbsp;good&quot;&nbsp;is&nbsp;ridiculous,&nbsp;because&nbsp;it&nbsp;was&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;actually&nbsp;derived&nbsp;from&nbsp;him.&nbsp;:-)&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;said&nbsp;one&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;things&nbsp;that&nbsp;surprised&nbsp;him&nbsp;in&nbsp;Japan&nbsp;was&nbsp;that&nbsp;he&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;found&nbsp;out&nbsp;nobody&nbsp;seemed&nbsp;to&nbsp;understand&nbsp;his&nbsp;Zen&nbsp;jokes&nbsp;in&nbsp;Japan...&nbsp;the&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;fact&nbsp;is,&nbsp;only&nbsp;few&nbsp;Japanese&nbsp;practice&nbsp;Zen&nbsp;now!&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;(&nbsp;Eisai这个日本老和尚说的什么呢?&nbsp;什么是Zen?&nbsp;筝?&nbsp;功夫还是乐器还是其他?)&nbsp;<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Later&nbsp;I&nbsp;had&nbsp;chance&nbsp;to&nbsp;talk&nbsp;with&nbsp;him,&nbsp;after&nbsp;his&nbsp;talk&nbsp;at&nbsp;Kyoto&nbsp;Sangyo&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;University.&nbsp;He&nbsp;was&nbsp;very&nbsp;friendly.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I&nbsp;asked&nbsp;him&nbsp;a&nbsp;little&nbsp;trifling&nbsp;question&nbsp;that&nbsp;asked&nbsp;if&nbsp;he&nbsp;had&nbsp;any&nbsp;plan&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to&nbsp;make&nbsp;grades&nbsp;of&nbsp;open&nbsp;source&nbsp;software,&nbsp;such&nbsp;as&nbsp;&quot;Top&nbsp;100&nbsp;OSS&quot;.&nbsp;He&nbsp;said&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;No,&nbsp;I&nbsp;don't.&nbsp;It&nbsp;would&nbsp;get&nbsp;me&nbsp;far&nbsp;too&nbsp;many&nbsp;political&nbsp;words&nbsp;if&nbsp;I&nbsp;tried!&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(in&nbsp;high&nbsp;voice)&nbsp;'Why&nbsp;didn't&nbsp;you&nbsp;list&nbsp;my&nbsp;PC&nbsp;software!?!?'&nbsp;'My&nbsp;software&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;deserves&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;on&nbsp;that&nbsp;list!!!&nbsp;ahhhhhh!!'...&nbsp;No&nbsp;I&nbsp;don't&nbsp;think&nbsp;I'd&nbsp;do.&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I&nbsp;get&nbsp;enough&nbsp;troubles&nbsp;doing&nbsp;what&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;doing.&quot;&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He&nbsp;was&nbsp;all&nbsp;around&nbsp;a&nbsp;very&nbsp;nice&nbsp;person.&nbsp;Actually,&nbsp;much&nbsp;nicer&nbsp;than&nbsp;my&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;expectation.&nbsp;I&nbsp;told&nbsp;him&nbsp;so,&nbsp;then&nbsp;he&nbsp;said&nbsp;&quot;So&nbsp;you&nbsp;expected&nbsp;me&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;obnoxious?&nbsp;Is&nbsp;that&nbsp;it?&nbsp;WHAT&nbsp;DID&nbsp;I&nbsp;DO???&nbsp;PLEASE!!&nbsp;(laugh)&quot;&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He&nbsp;also&nbsp;told&nbsp;me&nbsp;a&nbsp;little&nbsp;about&nbsp;flaming.&nbsp;&quot;Once&nbsp;I&nbsp;meet&nbsp;face&nbsp;to&nbsp;face&nbsp;they&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;do&nbsp;not&nbsp;tend&nbsp;to&nbsp;flame&nbsp;at&nbsp;me.&nbsp;It's&nbsp;the&nbsp;ones&nbsp;I&nbsp;haven't&nbsp;met&nbsp;that&nbsp;sometimes&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;get&nbsp;obstreperous.&nbsp;&quot;,&nbsp;&quot;People&nbsp;tend&nbsp;to&nbsp;flame&nbsp;me&nbsp;in&nbsp;public&nbsp;then&nbsp;send&nbsp;me&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nice&nbsp;letters&nbsp;in&nbsp;private.&nbsp;I&nbsp;kind&nbsp;of&nbsp;wish&nbsp;it&nbsp;was&nbsp;the&nbsp;other&nbsp;way&nbsp;around...&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:-)&quot;&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Last&nbsp;(but&nbsp;not&nbsp;least!),&nbsp;he&nbsp;said&nbsp;LWN&nbsp;was&nbsp;doing&nbsp;a&nbsp;very&nbsp;good&nbsp;job,&nbsp;and&nbsp;he&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;likes&nbsp;&quot;LWN&nbsp;daily&quot;,&nbsp;too!&nbsp;<BR>
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