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<TITLE>BBS水木清华站∶精华区</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><CENTER><H1>BBS水木清华站∶精华区</H1></CENTER>发信人:&nbsp;linuxrat&nbsp;(叫我老鼠错不了),&nbsp;信区:&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>标&nbsp;&nbsp;题:&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;Raymond在日本的专访记录.&nbsp;过瘾啊!&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>发信站:&nbsp;BBS&nbsp;水木清华站&nbsp;(Thu&nbsp;Dec&nbsp;30&nbsp;19:51:47&nbsp;1999)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;听说Eric&nbsp;Raymond不是很喜欢中国,&nbsp;可能是不了解中国的实际情况的.&nbsp;不过&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;他自己很喜欢技击性体育运动,&nbsp;也就是我们常说的&quot;功夫&quot;啦.&nbsp;听ESR说,&nbsp;在&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;美国很多的黑客都很喜欢空手道,&nbsp;柔道之类的东西哦.&nbsp;根据在ESR的个人主页&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;说,&nbsp;他明年的日程安排当中有去新加坡的...//sigh,&nbsp;什么时候他能改变成见,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;来中国啊....&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;呵呵,&nbsp;我喜欢大成拳,绝对的中国原传武学,&nbsp;可惜我不是guru....&nbsp;哪位想学&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;功夫的,&nbsp;我可以给引荐的说...&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;好了,&nbsp;不影响大家看帖子啦.....&nbsp;<BR>==================Begin&nbsp;of&nbsp;Interview===========================&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks&nbsp;to&nbsp;Maya&nbsp;Tamiya&nbsp;at&nbsp;ChangeLog&nbsp;for&nbsp;performing&nbsp;this&nbsp;interview&nbsp;and&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;providing&nbsp;it&nbsp;to&nbsp;us!&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>ESR&nbsp;interview&nbsp;(part&nbsp;I)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S.&nbsp;Raymond&nbsp;came&nbsp;to&nbsp;Japan&nbsp;to&nbsp;speak&nbsp;at&nbsp;several&nbsp;places&nbsp;in&nbsp;Tokyo&nbsp;and&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyoto.&nbsp;We&nbsp;had&nbsp;a&nbsp;chance&nbsp;to&nbsp;have&nbsp;an&nbsp;interview&nbsp;with&nbsp;him&nbsp;at&nbsp;Kyoto&nbsp;Sangyo&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;University&nbsp;on&nbsp;May&nbsp;28,&nbsp;before&nbsp;his&nbsp;talk.&nbsp;We&nbsp;would&nbsp;like&nbsp;to&nbsp;thank&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;for&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;kindly&nbsp;answering&nbsp;to&nbsp;our&nbsp;questions.&nbsp;We&nbsp;also&nbsp;would&nbsp;like&nbsp;to&nbsp;thank&nbsp;Tomoko&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yoshida,&nbsp;Greg&nbsp;Peterson,&nbsp;Chihiro&nbsp;Higuchi,&nbsp;Ushio&nbsp;Kaihara&nbsp;and&nbsp;other&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;members&nbsp;who&nbsp;managed&nbsp;to&nbsp;realize&nbsp;Eric's&nbsp;lecture&nbsp;and&nbsp;our&nbsp;interview&nbsp;in&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyoto,&nbsp;and&nbsp;Kenji&nbsp;Rikitake&nbsp;and&nbsp;Tatsuya&nbsp;Sasawawa&nbsp;for&nbsp;their&nbsp;advice.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;When&nbsp;will&nbsp;your&nbsp;next&nbsp;paper&nbsp;&quot;The&nbsp;Magic&nbsp;Cauldron&quot;&nbsp;come&nbsp;out?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(rat注:&nbsp;&lt;魔法大锅炉&gt;的翻译稿已经有rover翻译并放在bbs.aka.citf.net&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;的Magazine板里面了.&nbsp;有空大家去看看吧.&nbsp;)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;In&nbsp;only&nbsp;a&nbsp;few&nbsp;weeks.&nbsp;As&nbsp;a&nbsp;matter&nbsp;of&nbsp;fact,&nbsp;I&nbsp;have&nbsp;what&nbsp;I&nbsp;think&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;will&nbsp;be&nbsp;the&nbsp;final&nbsp;version&nbsp;on&nbsp;my&nbsp;computer.&nbsp;So&nbsp;it&nbsp;will&nbsp;come&nbsp;out&nbsp;in&nbsp;a&nbsp;few&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;weeks.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;I&nbsp;heard&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;paper&nbsp;discusses&nbsp;about&nbsp;how&nbsp;a&nbsp;company&nbsp;can&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;benefit&nbsp;by&nbsp;making&nbsp;its&nbsp;software&nbsp;an&nbsp;open&nbsp;source&nbsp;software,&nbsp;without&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;selling&nbsp;it&nbsp;directly.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;It&nbsp;includes&nbsp;that,&nbsp;but&nbsp;it's&nbsp;not&nbsp;the&nbsp;only&nbsp;thing&nbsp;in&nbsp;it.&nbsp;But&nbsp;it&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;includes&nbsp;those&nbsp;ideas.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;things&nbsp;that&nbsp;I&nbsp;identify&nbsp;in&nbsp;that&nbsp;paper&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;eight&nbsp;business&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;models.&nbsp;For&nbsp;six&nbsp;of&nbsp;which&nbsp;we&nbsp;have&nbsp;real&nbsp;world&nbsp;examples&nbsp;which&nbsp;permit&nbsp;you&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to&nbsp;make&nbsp;actual&nbsp;profits&nbsp;from&nbsp;open&nbsp;source&nbsp;software,&nbsp;so&nbsp;yes,&nbsp;I&nbsp;do&nbsp;talk&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;about&nbsp;that,&nbsp;but&nbsp;that's&nbsp;not&nbsp;the&nbsp;only&nbsp;thing&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;paper.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;When&nbsp;you&nbsp;released&nbsp;&quot;The&nbsp;Cathedral&nbsp;and&nbsp;the&nbsp;Bazaar&quot;,&nbsp;the&nbsp;most&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;influenced&nbsp;company&nbsp;was&nbsp;probably&nbsp;Netscape.&nbsp;Which&nbsp;company&nbsp;will&nbsp;be&nbsp;the&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;most&nbsp;influenced&nbsp;one&nbsp;by&nbsp;&quot;The&nbsp;Magic&nbsp;Cauldron&quot;?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;&lt;教堂与大市集&gt;咱就不必说到什么地方看了吧?&nbsp;)[B&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;Well,&nbsp;I&nbsp;don't&nbsp;know&nbsp;it&nbsp;because&nbsp;it&nbsp;has&nbsp;not&nbsp;happened&nbsp;yet.&nbsp;(laugh)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;Do&nbsp;you&nbsp;have&nbsp;one&nbsp;in&nbsp;your&nbsp;mind?&nbsp;Should&nbsp;we&nbsp;buy&nbsp;that&nbsp;company's&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;stocks&nbsp;now?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;(laugh)&nbsp;One&nbsp;particular&nbsp;company&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;thinking&nbsp;about...&nbsp;Right&nbsp;now,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the&nbsp;OSI&nbsp;is&nbsp;negotiating&nbsp;with&nbsp;IBM&nbsp;about&nbsp;some&nbsp;things.&nbsp;I&nbsp;can't&nbsp;talk&nbsp;about&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;details,&nbsp;but&nbsp;I&nbsp;can&nbsp;tell&nbsp;that&nbsp;you&nbsp;may&nbsp;see&nbsp;some&nbsp;interesting&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;announcements&nbsp;from&nbsp;IBM&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;near&nbsp;future.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;ESR没买股票,&nbsp;可是却一下在发财了.&nbsp;跟VA&nbsp;Linux公司有关的说.&nbsp;呵呵)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;Is&nbsp;IBM&nbsp;asking&nbsp;you&nbsp;for&nbsp;your&nbsp;advice?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;Yes&nbsp;they&nbsp;are.&nbsp;We&nbsp;are&nbsp;having&nbsp;some&nbsp;discussions&nbsp;that&nbsp;I&nbsp;can't&nbsp;talk&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;about&nbsp;yet.&nbsp;It's&nbsp;not&nbsp;specificly&nbsp;about&nbsp;that&nbsp;paper,&nbsp;it's&nbsp;about&nbsp;what&nbsp;kind&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;of&nbsp;license&nbsp;IBM&nbsp;might&nbsp;use&nbsp;for&nbsp;certain&nbsp;products&nbsp;that&nbsp;they&nbsp;are&nbsp;thinking&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;of&nbsp;releasing&nbsp;as&nbsp;open&nbsp;source.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;discussing&nbsp;the&nbsp;way&nbsp;to&nbsp;use&nbsp;for&nbsp;it.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;---------&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;You&nbsp;were&nbsp;MC&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;panel&nbsp;discussion&nbsp;at&nbsp;the&nbsp;LinuxWorld&nbsp;in&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;March.&nbsp;Since&nbsp;you&nbsp;were&nbsp;busy&nbsp;being&nbsp;MC,&nbsp;is&nbsp;there&nbsp;anything&nbsp;you&nbsp;could&nbsp;not&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;say&nbsp;at&nbsp;the&nbsp;discussion?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;That&nbsp;was&nbsp;quite&nbsp;hard,&nbsp;I&nbsp;tell&nbsp;you.&nbsp;I&nbsp;thought&nbsp;it&nbsp;was&nbsp;going&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;required&nbsp;a&nbsp;panel&nbsp;discussion.&nbsp;I&nbsp;didn't&nbsp;expect&nbsp;the&nbsp;conference&nbsp;organizers&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to&nbsp;turn&nbsp;it&nbsp;into&nbsp;six&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;person&nbsp;rock&nbsp;concert.&nbsp;(laugh)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When&nbsp;you&nbsp;got&nbsp;six&nbsp;thousand&nbsp;people&nbsp;hanging&nbsp;on&nbsp;their&nbsp;every&nbsp;word,&nbsp;it's&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hard&nbsp;to&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;serious&nbsp;discussion.&nbsp;So,&nbsp;it&nbsp;was&nbsp;a&nbsp;difficult&nbsp;work.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;Did&nbsp;you&nbsp;have&nbsp;anything&nbsp;that&nbsp;you&nbsp;have&nbsp;decided&nbsp;to&nbsp;say&nbsp;before&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the&nbsp;panel&nbsp;discussion?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;My&nbsp;goal&nbsp;was&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;people&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;panel&nbsp;who&nbsp;I&nbsp;think&nbsp;were&nbsp;among&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the&nbsp;most&nbsp;important&nbsp;leaders&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;open&nbsp;source,&nbsp;to&nbsp;discuss&nbsp;the&nbsp;things&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that&nbsp;actually&nbsp;needed&nbsp;to&nbsp;happen&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;open&nbsp;source&nbsp;movement&nbsp;during&nbsp;the&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;next&nbsp;year.&nbsp;We&nbsp;did&nbsp;actually&nbsp;found&nbsp;out&nbsp;the&nbsp;goals&nbsp;and&nbsp;they&nbsp;are&nbsp;now&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;working&nbsp;on&nbsp;them.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;You&nbsp;talked&nbsp;about&nbsp;what&nbsp;to&nbsp;do&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;next&nbsp;nine&nbsp;months,&nbsp;or&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;within&nbsp;this&nbsp;year.&nbsp;Now&nbsp;three&nbsp;months&nbsp;have&nbsp;passed&nbsp;and&nbsp;has&nbsp;your&nbsp;goal&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;changed&nbsp;since?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;One&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;objectives&nbsp;we&nbsp;identified&nbsp;was&nbsp;trying&nbsp;to&nbsp;increase&nbsp;the&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;use&nbsp;of&nbsp;open&nbsp;source&nbsp;software&nbsp;in&nbsp;education.&nbsp;We&nbsp;can&nbsp;see&nbsp;it&nbsp;from&nbsp;the&nbsp;demos&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Kyoto&nbsp;Sangyo&nbsp;University's&nbsp;Information&nbsp;Education&nbsp;System,&nbsp;which&nbsp;is&nbsp;made&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;up&nbsp;of&nbsp;603&nbsp;Linux/NT&nbsp;dual&nbsp;boot&nbsp;machines&nbsp;and&nbsp;has&nbsp;been&nbsp;in&nbsp;use&nbsp;since&nbsp;this&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;April,&nbsp;details&nbsp;also&nbsp;described&nbsp;in&nbsp;LWN)&nbsp;we&nbsp;just&nbsp;saw,&nbsp;that's&nbsp;actually&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;happening.&nbsp;So&nbsp;that's&nbsp;right&nbsp;on&nbsp;schedule,&nbsp;I&nbsp;think.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;---------&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;(faint.&nbsp;中国的东西都没有走向世界,&nbsp;真是....//sigh...花架子害了中华武学啊...)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;You&nbsp;are&nbsp;interested&nbsp;in&nbsp;Japanese&nbsp;culture&nbsp;and&nbsp;martial&nbsp;arts...&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;Yes&nbsp;I&nbsp;am.&nbsp;I&nbsp;am&nbsp;a&nbsp;student&nbsp;of&nbsp;Aikido.&nbsp;Very&nbsp;very&nbsp;new&nbsp;student&nbsp;of&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Aikido,&nbsp;I&nbsp;just&nbsp;started&nbsp;studying&nbsp;it&nbsp;a&nbsp;month&nbsp;ago.&nbsp;But&nbsp;before&nbsp;that,&nbsp;I&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spent&nbsp;almost&nbsp;9&nbsp;years&nbsp;studying&nbsp;Karate.&nbsp;I&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;Shodan.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ChangeLog:&nbsp;You&nbsp;learned&nbsp;Karate&nbsp;and&nbsp;then&nbsp;Aikido?&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ESR:&nbsp;Yes,&nbsp;Karate&nbsp;first&nbsp;and&nbsp;then&nbsp;Aikido.&nbsp;I&nbsp;think&nbsp;that&nbsp;way&nbsp;works&nbsp;better&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;than&nbsp;the&nbsp;other&nbsp;way&nbsp;around,&nbsp;because,&nbsp;Karate&nbsp;is&nbsp;relatively&nbsp;simple,&nbsp;and&nbsp;<BR>
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