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by the open source community. So let me just <BR>say at this point that we're thinking hard about it, and open to input. <BR>Doc Searls: How does InterBase stack up against--or with--existing Linux dat <BR>abase products, like MySQL? <BR>Dale Fuller:It's complimentary. MySQL is nice as far as it goes, but InterBa <BR>se is the only commercially developed, tested and <BR>deployed open sourced database product in the world. Its Java support is unb <BR>eatable. So is its performance. Even before we <BR>open-sourced it, no other RDBMS was easier to port between platforms. And no <BR> other database could scale from desktops to <BR>huge, industrial-strength systems. Those advantages will only increase. <BR>Doc Searls: Are you going to manage this out of your current corporate infra <BR>structure, or is this too different? <BR>Dale Fuller: We are setting up a separate company to manage the whole proces <BR>s. We'll try to follow the paths already beaten <BR>by Red Hat, VA Linux, TurboLinux and others. We want to consolidate a core d <BR>evelopment team, make our money on <BR>service and support and adjunct products, do the compatibility testing, and <BR>work with the community to make sure there is one <BR>source that doesn't fork. <BR>Doc Searls: Do you expect that database - the InterBase database - can be pa <BR>rt of a standard Linux distribution? <BR>Dale Fuller: I do. I absolutely do. We're talking about building material he <BR>re. That's the great appeal of Linux: it's better <BR>building material, and open source is a better building method. To run with <BR>that metaphor, you need more than just nails. You <BR>need boards. You need lumber. In most enterprises, that's the data. And in m <BR>ost cases the data is more important than the <BR>applications. You need something that's bulletproof, that doesn't have memor <BR>y leaks, that's reliable and proven. You get that <BR>with InterBase. It's a huge advantage. <BR>Doc Searls: What's to stop others from offering the same thing? <BR>Dale Fuller: Nothing. But they will not be as mature. Here's a product that <BR>is already on sixty different platforms, used by <BR>hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. Our 911 system in the United S <BR>tates is run on it. Now it becomes available to <BR>everyone. Think about what that means for enterprises that are only beginnin <BR>g to adopt Linux now. It knocks down a huge <BR>barrier to adoption. <BR>Doc Searls: You see it as a way for companies to migrate to Linux? <BR>Dale Fuller: I see it in a big way. We built this as a cross-platform produc <BR>t. Any data that you have on Solaris will <BR>immediately run on Linux. You just port your application over. You don't hav <BR>e to worry about your data structures. That's <BR>fundamental to what makes InterBase such a sweet product. It runs on Solaris <BR>, Linux, Windows, AIX, multiple flavors of <BR>UNIX, even Wang systems from years gone by. So when you're an in-house compa <BR>ny looking to expand and get out into the <BR>world of application server technology, you need a way for your data to move <BR> with you. The good news is, with InterBase, you <BR>can do this easily and quickly. <BR>Doc Searls: Instead of building over again on another platform, you move who <BR>le buildings. <BR>Dale Fuller: You move CAD drawings from one output to another output, rather <BR> than having to FedEx or fax them. You <BR>move the entire architecture over. <BR>Doc Searls: Because the data structures remain intact. <BR>Dale Fuller: Exactly. And because we have the fifteen years of experience at <BR> doing it successfully across all these platforms, <BR>we bring a lot to the open source table. Including big-time customers who ne <BR>ed to find a way to make the leap to Linux. There <BR>is something for everybody here. We want to see people involved in testing i <BR>t, improving it, submitting their findings and <BR>changes back to the organization, and circulating back out the constantly im <BR>proved versions that anybody can use. <BR>Doc Searls: And you want to build an organization customers can buy support <BR>from. <BR>Dale Fuller: Yes. That's where we make our money. <BR>Doc Searls: I think you're among the first in the open source world to direc <BR>tly go after what we might call Practical <BR>IT. These are guys getting work done in large organizations, busily adopting <BR> Linux because they like its virtues. They <BR>are part of the movement in a practical sense, but not part of The Cause. Mo <BR>st of them I would guess are not heavy <BR>Slashdot readers, or if they are they don't post there. Which makes them a b <BR>it invisible. But we know they are out <BR>there, because we know from IBM, HP and many other large companies tell us t <BR>hat their companies are full of these <BR>people, who are making the choice to migrate enthusiastically from NT and va <BR>rious UNIX flavors to Linux. It seems to <BR>me that's your constituency. <BR>Dale Fuller: Yes. And they care about the future, too. Take a topic like EJB <BR>, Enterprise Java Beans. Those beans become <BR>transferable; I can sell, give, buy or take templates for, say, spreadsheets <BR>. This constituency likes that kind of transferability <BR>across both vertical and horizontal platforms. Well, that's what open source <BR> InterBase will give them. No matter what platform <BR>you have, wherever you are, you don't have to worry about your data. <BR>Doc Searls: So its virtues are a lot like Java. <BR>Dale Fuller: Only not so closed. We're going open source all the way. <BR>Doc Searls: And you think it will be easier to do that with a new company th <BR>an with your old one. <BR>Dale Fuller: Yes. What we're setting up will be the host organization outsid <BR>e our company. We don't want to do what <BR>Netscape tried to do, which wasn't very successful. We need a separate entit <BR>y. We are funding it, but only as one source of <BR>funding. We want the community to help fund it, and own shares in it. <BR>Doc Searls: Have you talked to some of the service players, like Linuxcare? <BR>Dale Fuller: Yes we have. Also with Corel, TurboLinux, Red Hat and others. <BR>Doc Searls: Are they ready to include you in their upcoming distributions? <BR>Dale Fuller: We're moving to the next level of discussions. But I'm confiden <BR>t. This is the only serious database product in the <BR>
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