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<TITLE>BBS水木清华站∶精华区</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><CENTER><H1>BBS水木清华站∶精华区</H1></CENTER>发信人:&nbsp;linuxrat&nbsp;(叫我老鼠错不了),&nbsp;信区:&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>标&nbsp;&nbsp;题:&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S&nbsp;Raymond想对中国的Linux应用说些什么呢?&nbsp;<BR>发信站:&nbsp;BBS&nbsp;水木清华站&nbsp;(Fri&nbsp;Jan&nbsp;&nbsp;7&nbsp;11:07:57&nbsp;2000)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;An&nbsp;Unfortunate&nbsp;Part&nbsp;of&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;Raymond's&nbsp;China&nbsp;Message&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Posted&nbsp;by:&nbsp;Bruce&nbsp;Perens&nbsp;on&nbsp;Thursday&nbsp;November&nbsp;11,&nbsp;@11:39AM&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In&nbsp;this&nbsp;message&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;Raymond&nbsp;writes&nbsp;that&nbsp;a&nbsp;story&nbsp;about&nbsp;China&nbsp;adopting&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;as&nbsp;its&nbsp;official&nbsp;OS&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;fraud.&nbsp;It&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;fraud,&nbsp;and&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;is&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;functioning&nbsp;appropriately&nbsp;as&nbsp;a&nbsp;spokesperson&nbsp;within&nbsp;the&nbsp;free&nbsp;software&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;community&nbsp;when&nbsp;he&nbsp;says&nbsp;so.&nbsp;Eric's&nbsp;been&nbsp;doing&nbsp;a&nbsp;pretty&nbsp;good&nbsp;job&nbsp;lately,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and&nbsp;I&nbsp;appreciate&nbsp;that.&nbsp;Unfortunately,&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;writes:&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It&nbsp;may&nbsp;be&nbsp;too&nbsp;much&nbsp;to&nbsp;hope&nbsp;that&nbsp;this&nbsp;statement&nbsp;will&nbsp;head&nbsp;off&nbsp;a&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;flurry&nbsp;of&nbsp;snide&nbsp;opinion&nbsp;pieces&nbsp;divagating&nbsp;about&nbsp;&quot;open-source&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;communism&quot;;&nbsp;the&nbsp;clumsy&nbsp;rhetoric&nbsp;of&nbsp;some&nbsp;of&nbsp;our&nbsp;past&nbsp;ambassadors&nbsp;may&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;have&nbsp;made&nbsp;that&nbsp;outcome&nbsp;inevitable.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Experienced&nbsp;observers&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;free&nbsp;software&nbsp;community&nbsp;will&nbsp;note&nbsp;that&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;can't&nbsp;help&nbsp;engaging&nbsp;in&nbsp;one&nbsp;of&nbsp;his&nbsp;favorite&nbsp;pastimes,&nbsp;taking&nbsp;a&nbsp;jab&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;at&nbsp;Richard&nbsp;Stallman&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;Free&nbsp;Software&nbsp;Foundation.&nbsp;The&nbsp;problem&nbsp;with&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;this&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;Stallman&nbsp;is&nbsp;emphaticaly&nbsp;not&nbsp;a&nbsp;communist.&nbsp;In&nbsp;Stallman's&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;own&nbsp;words:&nbsp;Karl&nbsp;Marx&nbsp;didn't&nbsp;invent&nbsp;helping&nbsp;your&nbsp;neighbor.&nbsp;It's&nbsp;true,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;however,&nbsp;that&nbsp;references&nbsp;to&nbsp;communism&nbsp;are&nbsp;often&nbsp;used&nbsp;to&nbsp;discredit&nbsp;many&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;best&nbsp;things&nbsp;about&nbsp;community&nbsp;spirit.&nbsp;We&nbsp;don't&nbsp;want&nbsp;to&nbsp;see&nbsp;that&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;strategy&nbsp;used&nbsp;against&nbsp;Linux,&nbsp;but&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;engages&nbsp;in&nbsp;that&nbsp;himself&nbsp;by&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;deprecating&nbsp;Stallman&nbsp;in&nbsp;his&nbsp;China&nbsp;message,&nbsp;a&nbsp;message&nbsp;in&nbsp;which&nbsp;he&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;deliberately&nbsp;takes&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;mantle&nbsp;of&nbsp;speaking&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;entire&nbsp;community.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's&nbsp;unfortunate.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In&nbsp;order&nbsp;to&nbsp;deflect&nbsp;talk&nbsp;of&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;being&nbsp;a&nbsp;&quot;communist&nbsp;enterprise&quot;,&nbsp;we&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;need&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;clear&nbsp;about&nbsp;the&nbsp;relationship&nbsp;of&nbsp;Free&nbsp;Software&nbsp;(Open&nbsp;Source)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to&nbsp;communism.&nbsp;Free&nbsp;software&nbsp;does&nbsp;create&nbsp;a&nbsp;&quot;commons&quot;:&nbsp;a&nbsp;sort&nbsp;of&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;publicly-owned&nbsp;property,&nbsp;collectively&nbsp;maintained&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;good&nbsp;of&nbsp;all.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Karl&nbsp;Marx&nbsp;didn't&nbsp;invent&nbsp;that&nbsp;either,&nbsp;it's&nbsp;a&nbsp;critical&nbsp;aspect&nbsp;of&nbsp;every&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;community,&nbsp;and&nbsp;most&nbsp;capitalistic&nbsp;enterprises&nbsp;would&nbsp;wither&nbsp;without&nbsp;a&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;publicly-owned&nbsp;infrastructure&nbsp;to&nbsp;support&nbsp;them.&nbsp;Consider,&nbsp;for&nbsp;example,&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that&nbsp;money&nbsp;is&nbsp;part&nbsp;of&nbsp;that&nbsp;infrastructure.&nbsp;That's&nbsp;the&nbsp;message&nbsp;I'd&nbsp;like&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to&nbsp;carry&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;press:&nbsp;having&nbsp;a&nbsp;commons,&nbsp;helping&nbsp;our&nbsp;neighbors,&nbsp;and&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;protecting&nbsp;our&nbsp;freedoms&nbsp;should&nbsp;not&nbsp;be&nbsp;equated&nbsp;to&nbsp;communism.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Bruce&nbsp;Perens&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>===================================================&nbsp;<BR>=========================================================================&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;我只是很伤心ESR先生的看法.&nbsp;咱们是否联名给他?&nbsp;让他知道我们这些fans是真正&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;支持的呢?&nbsp;管他什么狗屁的官方政府.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S&nbsp;Raymond先生的原文如下:&nbsp;<BR>--------&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S.&nbsp;Raymond&nbsp;--&nbsp;Communist&nbsp;China&nbsp;adopts&nbsp;Linux?&nbsp;Not&nbsp;so,&nbsp;apparently...&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Nov&nbsp;11,&nbsp;1999,&nbsp;04:07&nbsp;UTC&nbsp;(137&nbsp;Talkbacks)&nbsp;(Other&nbsp;stories&nbsp;by&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Raymond)&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;By&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S.&nbsp;Raymond&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In&nbsp;a&nbsp;November&nbsp;10th&nbsp;Yahoo-UK&nbsp;story&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<A HREF="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991110/22/ax8w.html,">http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991110/22/ax8w.html,</A>&nbsp;the&nbsp;government&nbsp;of&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Communist&nbsp;China&nbsp;is&nbsp;alleged&nbsp;to&nbsp;have&nbsp;said&nbsp;that&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;will&nbsp;be&nbsp;adopted&nbsp;by&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that&nbsp;country&nbsp;as&nbsp;its&nbsp;official&nbsp;OS&nbsp;and&nbsp;that&nbsp;&quot;There&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;strong&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;identification&nbsp;between&nbsp;communist&nbsp;China&nbsp;and&nbsp;the&nbsp;open-source&nbsp;free&nbsp;OS&quot;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Authority&nbsp;for&nbsp;this&nbsp;statement&nbsp;is&nbsp;traced&nbsp;to&nbsp;a&nbsp;press&nbsp;release&nbsp;by&nbsp;GraphOn&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;www.graphon.com.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This&nbsp;story&nbsp;appears&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;untrue.&nbsp;The&nbsp;only&nbsp;GraphOn&nbsp;press&nbsp;release&nbsp;I&nbsp;can&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;find&nbsp;that&nbsp;mentions&nbsp;China&nbsp;is&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<A HREF="http://www.graphon.com/News/pr-china991102.html">http://www.graphon.com/News/pr-china991102.html</A>&nbsp;from&nbsp;2&nbsp;Nov.&nbsp;This&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;routine&nbsp;announcement&nbsp;of&nbsp;a&nbsp;partnership&nbsp;with&nbsp;a&nbsp;private&nbsp;firm&nbsp;in&nbsp;Hainan.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There&nbsp;is&nbsp;no&nbsp;mention&nbsp;of&nbsp;any&nbsp;Chinese&nbsp;government&nbsp;sponsorship&nbsp;or&nbsp;action&nbsp;to&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;make&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;&quot;official&quot;.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In&nbsp;the&nbsp;past,&nbsp;I&nbsp;have&nbsp;avoided&nbsp;presuming&nbsp;to&nbsp;speak&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;whole&nbsp;Linux&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;community.&nbsp;This&nbsp;time,&nbsp;however,&nbsp;I&nbsp;think&nbsp;I&nbsp;may&nbsp;safely&nbsp;say&nbsp;that&nbsp;this&nbsp;news&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;will&nbsp;come&nbsp;as&nbsp;a&nbsp;vast&nbsp;relief&nbsp;to&nbsp;all&nbsp;of&nbsp;us.&nbsp;Insofar&nbsp;as&nbsp;it&nbsp;has&nbsp;politics&nbsp;at&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;all,&nbsp;the&nbsp;open-source&nbsp;movement&nbsp;promotes&nbsp;freedom,&nbsp;increased&nbsp;choice,&nbsp;and&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*voluntary*&nbsp;cooperation.&nbsp;Any&nbsp;&quot;identification&quot;&nbsp;between&nbsp;the&nbsp;values&nbsp;of&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the&nbsp;open-source&nbsp;community&nbsp;and&nbsp;the&nbsp;repressive&nbsp;practices&nbsp;of&nbsp;Communism&nbsp;is&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nothing&nbsp;but&nbsp;a&nbsp;a&nbsp;vicious&nbsp;and&nbsp;cynical&nbsp;fraud.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There&nbsp;are&nbsp;a&nbsp;few&nbsp;of&nbsp;us&nbsp;who&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;soft&nbsp;spot&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;theoretical&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Communist&nbsp;ideal&nbsp;of&nbsp;&quot;from&nbsp;each&nbsp;according&nbsp;to&nbsp;his&nbsp;ability,&nbsp;to&nbsp;his&nbsp;each&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;according&nbsp;to&nbsp;his&nbsp;need&quot;;&nbsp;but&nbsp;I&nbsp;am&nbsp;certain&nbsp;that&nbsp;even&nbsp;that&nbsp;minority&nbsp;would&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;not&nbsp;care&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;associated&nbsp;with&nbsp;the&nbsp;totalitarian&nbsp;and&nbsp;murderous&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;government&nbsp;of&nbsp;Communist&nbsp;China&nbsp;--&nbsp;unrepentant&nbsp;perpetrators&nbsp;of&nbsp;numerous&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;atrocities&nbsp;against&nbsp;its&nbsp;own&nbsp;people.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It&nbsp;may&nbsp;be&nbsp;too&nbsp;much&nbsp;to&nbsp;hope&nbsp;that&nbsp;this&nbsp;statement&nbsp;will&nbsp;head&nbsp;off&nbsp;a&nbsp;flurry&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;of&nbsp;snide&nbsp;opinion&nbsp;pieces&nbsp;divagating&nbsp;about&nbsp;&quot;open-source&nbsp;communism&quot;;&nbsp;the&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;clumsy&nbsp;rhetoric&nbsp;of&nbsp;some&nbsp;of&nbsp;our&nbsp;past&nbsp;ambassadors&nbsp;may&nbsp;have&nbsp;made&nbsp;that&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;outcome&nbsp;inevitable.&nbsp;But&nbsp;the&nbsp;prospect&nbsp;of&nbsp;being&nbsp;&quot;identified&quot;&nbsp;with&nbsp;the&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;bloody-handed&nbsp;gerontocrats&nbsp;behind&nbsp;the&nbsp;Tianamen&nbsp;Square&nbsp;massacre&nbsp;would&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;be,&nbsp;I&nbsp;believe,&nbsp;genuinely&nbsp;revolting&nbsp;and&nbsp;insulting&nbsp;to&nbsp;all&nbsp;of&nbsp;us.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No&nbsp;matter&nbsp;that&nbsp;such&nbsp;official&nbsp;Chinese&nbsp;government&nbsp;sponsorship&nbsp;might&nbsp;add&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;a&nbsp;quarter&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;planet's&nbsp;population&nbsp;to&nbsp;our&nbsp;user&nbsp;base;&nbsp;if&nbsp;this&nbsp;is&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;world&nbsp;domination&quot;,&nbsp;we'll&nbsp;want&nbsp;none&nbsp;of&nbsp;it.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Eric&nbsp;S.&nbsp;Raymond&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>========================================================================&nbsp;<BR>--&nbsp;<BR>|======================+========================+====================|&nbsp;<BR>|&nbsp;以无法为有法&nbsp;，&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;拳本无法，有法也空；&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;我爱GNU/Linux,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;<BR>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;以无限为有限&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;一法不立，无法不容。|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;因为我爱自由！&nbsp;|&nbsp;<BR>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;<BR>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;截拳道宗师-李小龙&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;意拳宗师-王芗斋&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;土人&nbsp;&nbsp;Linuxrat&nbsp;|&nbsp;<BR>|======================+========================+====================|&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>※&nbsp;来源:·BBS&nbsp;水木清华站&nbsp;smth.org·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