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RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes      BBN Van gateway PSS - IPSS -Telenet - for hosts that can't use      SATNET.      SAM does access control and multihoming.  Clever Multihoming gives      host a second address and sends an ICMP/Redirect to force TCP      connection to go through a different route, but  wind up at same      place!!!      Wrote EGP in ADA.  It didn't help at all.   Design of the FACC Multinet Gateway -- FACC - Cook      Postel:  This is a distributed multiprocessor machine using a      special bus network for the interprocessor communication.  The      softaware is written in C.  The gateways is in an early test      phase.      Muuss:      RADC program      Started with AUTODIN II, switched to DDN.      Small to large switching devices.      DoD uses of PDNs, and partitioned network problems.            Distributed processing architecture -        Parallel contention, 90M bps bus, 22 wires. Each node has cpu,        memory, optimal comm line. Wire - OR presentation of address,        contention happens each time bus becomes free, all requestors        put out type of msg, pri, and address.   Reads back wire - OR of        result, and highest gwy wins, sorted by (pri, type, higher      addr).        Bus was originally designed for our FAA fail-soft application        Z-800l w/MMU. Not binary addressing, but unitary (base1)      One element resolved per bus transaction.      Boards may be plugged in while running.      Inherent parallelism in layered protocols.      Interface connector clues board to modem levels and date rate.  Up      to 100K bps now, soon up to T1 rate.      Multiprocessor approach allows routing calculation to take place      out-of-band from the measurement of delay and traffic, and allows      use of more compute power for routing.      Mostly written in C, with some assembler.  Multiprocessor      operating system, designed from scratch.Hinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 17]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes   SAC Gateway -- SRI - Su/Lewis      Postel:  This was a presentation of the design for the gateways to      be used in the advanced SAC demo experiments on network      partitioning and reconstitution, and communication between      intermingiling mobile networks.  Much of these demonstrations will      be done with packet radio units and networks.  Some of the ideas      are to use a gateway-centered type of addressing and double      encapsulation (i.e., an extra IP header) to route datagrams.      Muuss:      Network dynamics due to component mobility or failure.      Mobile host, reconstitution, partitioning.        H/W:  11/23        S/W:  Some "C" gateway        OS:   VMOS (SRI)      Gateway-centered addressing, rather than network.        Gw host instead of net.host.      Double encapsulation:  additional IP header.        TCP uses addr as an ID, IP uses it as an ADDRESS (-> route)        Need to separate these dual uses of this address field.      Incremental Routing (next-hop indication)   EGP -- Linkabit - Mills      Postel:  A presentation of the EGP design.  EGP has three major      aspects, neighbor acquisition, neighbor reachability, and network      reachability.  The autonomous system concept was discussed.      Muuss:      Background, Implementation, Experience, Disparaging Remarks      Design goals -        o   Established demarcations        o   Decouple implementations        o   Confine routing loops        o   Exchange reachability information        o   Provide flow control for connectivity information        o   Medium-term lifetime      Non goals                       Not trying to do these!        o   Flexibility of topology        o   Rapid response             Very slow updateHinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 18]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes        o   Adaptive routing        o   Common routing metric      No agreement at all        o   Load sharing or splitting      "Good news travels fast and bad news travels forever."      Not for routing, but only provides reachability            RFC827 initial mode, RFC888 stub protocol      Neighbor acquisition protocol         o   2-way shake         o   Flow - rates         o   Explicit acquisition/cause      Neighbor reachability protocol         o   Periodic polling         o   Parasitic information         o   Reachability algorithm Network reachability             protocol         o   Periodic pulling         o   Remote information         o   Direct and indirect neighbors         o   Indirect internal and indirect external             neighbors         o   Distance information      EGP neighbors do not need to peer with more than one      CORE gateway, but you may peer with anybody you wish.      Shortcomings -         o   Slow reaction due polling         o   Tree-structured routing constraint           - Rigid topology           - Administrative resistance to odering           - Lack of adaptive connectivity         o   Neighbor acquisition incomplete.      Loops between autonomous systems will last a long      time, and are a real no-no.      System models -         o   "Appropriate first hop" criterion           - Not useful for implementation           - Requires global information           - Inadequate for verification         o   Graph models           - N-graph shows net connectivity           - T-graph shows system connectivityHinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 19]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes           - T-acycloc criterion insures loop-free         o   Derived features           - Induces spanning tree      N-graph                                        G1                                  A_______________B                                 / \            /\                            G2  /   \  G3   G4 /  \ G5                               /     \        /    \                              C------D        E-----F G6         AS1 = G2, G3, G6                   A         B         AS2 = G1         AS3 = G4, G5                 AS1 ----- AS2 ----- AS3                                               T-graph      Test:  to ensure that there are no cycles      Spanning subtree      Specification effort - Status report State machine designed      Remaining issues -        o   Remove extra hop in core system        o   Expand tables        o   Test backdoor "GGP"        o   Resolve specification issues        o   Resolve full gateway configuration              - Back door connectivity guidance              - can only advertise 1 path at a time.              - APF rule guidancee              - Self organization issues        o   Implement and distribute for operational systems.   Congestion Control -- FACC - Nagle      Postel:  This was a discussion of the situation leading to the      ideas presented in RFC 896, and how the policies described there      improved overall performance.Hinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 20]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes      Muuss:      First principle of congestion control:         DON'T DROP PACKETS (unless absolutely necessary)      Second principle:         Hosts must behave themselves (or else)         Enemies list -            1.  TOPS-20 TCP from DEC            2.  VAX/UNIX 4.2 from Berkeley      Third principle:         Memory won't help (beyond a certain point).         The small packet problem: Big packets are good, small are bad         (big = 576).      Suggested fix: Rule: When the user writes to TCP, initiate a send      only if there are NO outstanding packets on the connection. [good      for TELNET, at least] (or if you fill a segment). No change when      Acks come back. Assumption is that there is a pipe-like buffer      between the user and the TCP.      The source quench problem Rule: When a TCP gets an ICMP Source      Quench, it must reduce the number of outstanding datagrams on      relevant TCP connections.      Rule: When a gateway nears overload, before starting to drop      packets, send a Source Quench.      Node capacity: Each node ought to have one buffer for each TCP      connection, plus some for overload.      Both fixes really need to be done together, although the first one      is often helpful by itself. Side effect: FTPs start off "slowly,"      until the first Ack comes back Dave Mills thinks this will      increase the mean delay for medium-size interactions. This      probably will not work so well for SATNET.      Problems about propagation time of links biasing the validity of      this result!!Hinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 21]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes   A Gateway Congestion Control Policy--NW Systems - Niznik      Postel:  This talk was (for Postel) hard to follow.  There were a      number of references to well known results in queuing theory etc,      but I could not follow how they were being used.      Muuss:      Replacements for IMP SPF      Topological observations      Nodal congestion control policy        GMD - control application [from German network]        RPN - relational Petri net        DCT - dynamic congestion table      NCCP performance evaluation      Planned GCCP:  Gateway congestion control policy      Lots of diagrams and figures.      Better throughput than SPF, but somewhat higher delay.      Cubic structure of table.   DISCUSSION (Postel's personal comments)      There was very little organized discussion during the meeting and      not really very much question and answer interaction during the      presentation.  There was a lot of discussion during the breaks,      and at lunch time, and at the end of each day.      Some things that occured to me during the meeting that may have      been triggered by something someone said (or maybe by the view out      the window):         Don't design a protocol where you expect to get a lot of         messages from a lot of sources at the same time.  For example,         don't ask all the hosts on an Ethernet to send you an ack to a         broadcast packet.         Has anyone worked out in detail the routing traffic costs for         the GGP vs the SPF procedures for the actual case of the         Internet?         How will the fact that thinking of the routing in the core         autonomous system is cast in terms of an entry and an exit         gateway effect other things?  Will there be specialHinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 22]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting Notes         arrangements between the entry and exit gateway?  Will an         autonomous system become a circuit switch connecting pairs of         entry/exit gateways?         Is TOS routing worth the cost?         Should we allow (as a new type of ICMP message) redirects to         Gateways?         Does making memory larger ever hurt?  If a gateway's memory is         full of inappropriately retransmitted TCP segments would it be         better if there were less memory?         Is there something reasonable to do with source quench at the         TCP?  Re: RFC-896.         If there are links (or networks) of vastly differing delay and         thruput characteristics what impact would an IP level load         splitting (say by gateways) have on TCP connections (some of         the segments of the connection go one path and others go a         different path)?         Are any problems avoided (either way) by using double IP         headers vs a "source route like" IP option to separate the IP         level addressing and routing function from the TCP level         end-point naming function of the IP addresses.         What bad things could happen from the proposed IP         multidestination routing option?Hinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 23]RFC 898                                                       April 1984Gateway SIG Meeting NotesMEETING ATTENDEES   Mike Accetta - CMU   R. Buhr - Canada   J. Noel Chiappa - MIT   Paul Cook - Ford   Jon Crowcroft - UCL   Barbara Denny - SRI   Jim Forgie  - LL   Steve Groff - BBN   Phill Gross - Linkabit   Kjell Hermansen - NTA   Robert Hinden - BBN   Patrick Holkenbrink - FACC   Ruth Hough - AIRINC   Willie Kantrowitz - LL   Paul Kirton -ISI   Mark Lewis -SRI   Liza Martin - MIT   Doug Miller - MITRE   Dave Mills - Linkabit   Mike Muuss - BRL   Jose Nabielsky - MITRE   Ron Natalie - BRL   John Nagle  - Ford   Carol Niznick  NW Systems   Jon Postel - ISI   Joyce Reynolds  -ISI   Marshall Rose - UCI   Joe Sciortino - AIRINC   Linda Seamonson - BBN   Nachum Shacham - SRI   Alan Sheltzer - UCLA   Marvin Solomon  - WISC   Zaw-Sing Su - SRI   Mitch Tasman - BBNHinden, Postel, Muuss, & Reynolds                              [Page 24]

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