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Network Working Group J. F. Heafner
Request for Comments: 164 Rand
NIC 6778
MINUTES OF NETWORK WORKING GROUP MEETING
5/16 through 5/19/71
Preface
These notes are for reference and recall by those in attendance of
the NWG meetings. No attempt has been made toward completeness to
make this an understandable document for those not in attendance.
The notes are ordered chronologically. You may notice discrepancies
for particular schedules and tasks within the notes; the
discrepancies represent a revision of those schedules and tasks, thus
those dates given more recent in time are assumed to apply.
If you detect any gross errors in this report, please make
corrections via the accepted NIC procedures.
CONTENTS
I. SUNDAY EVENING SESSION (5/10/71) ................. 4
Introduction of Attendees ........................ 4
Site Status Reports .............................. 6
UCLA-Sigma 7 ................................... 6
UCLA-CCN ....................................... 6
UCSB ........................................... 7
SRI-ARC/NIC .................................... 7
SRI-AI ......................................... 7
Rand ........................................... 8
SDC ............................................ 8
Illinois-CAC ................................... 9
AMES ........................................... 9
CCA ............................................ 10
Case Western ................................... 10
Carnegie ....................................... 10
Harvard ........................................ 11
IBM Research ................................... 11
RADC ........................................... 11
MIT-DM and MULTICS ............................. 11
Lincoln ........................................ 12
BBN-NCC ........................................ 12
BBN/TENEX ...................................... 13
Mitre .......................................... 13
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NBS ............................................ 14
ETAC ........................................... 14
Air Force Sites ................................ 14
Other Reports ..................................... 15
Dept. Comm., Canada ............................. 15
U. of Chicago ................................... 15
United Kingdom .................................. 15
Merit-Univ. Michigan ............................ 15
EDUCOM .......................................... 16
Raytheon ........................................ 16
Miscellaneous Topics .............................. 16
Graphics ........................................ 16
NCP Protocols ................................... 16
IMLAC Users Group ............................... 17
Official Document Formats ....................... 17
II. MONDAY MORNING SESSION (5/17/71) ................. 18
Network Information Center ....................... 18
Plans for NIC .................................. 18
Concepts & Recommendations for Documentation ... 18
TELNET ........................................... 19
III. MONDAY AFTERNOON SESSION (5/17/71) ............... 20
File Transfer Protocol (RFC #114) ................ 20
File Protocol Status Report ...................... 20
Miscellaneous Topics ............................. 20
Sockets ........................................ 20
Initial Connection Protocol .................... 21
Testing and Validation ......................... 21
IV. MONDAY EVENING SESSION (5/17/71) ................. 22
Operating Systems and Networks ................... 22
V. TUESDAY MORNING SESSION (5/18/71) ................ 24
DRS Working Group Meeting with Open Attendance ... 24
Data Management on Computer Networks ............. 24
Open Discussion on Data Management ............... 25
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VI. TUESDAY EVENING SESSION (5/18/71) ................ 27
Terminal IMP ..................................... 27
Comments by Dr. Roberts .......................... 27
VII. WEDNESDAY MORNING SESSION (5/19/71) .............. 30
VIII. WEDNESDAY EVENING SESSION (5/19/71) .............. 31
Miscellaneous Issues ............................. 32
NWG Organization ................................. 32
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I. SUNDAY EVENING SESSION (5/10/71)
INTRODUCTION OF ATTENDEES
Attendees introduced themselves and stated their affiliation. The
following list includes persons attending any of the sessions.
SITE NAME
AMES-ILLIAC John McConnell
AMES-67 Wayne Hathaway
ARPA Bruce Dolan
Cordell Green
Larry Roberts
BBN-NCC Will Crowther
Frank Hart
Robert Kahn
Alex McKenzie
Carnegie William Broadley
H. Van Zoeren
Case Patrick Foulk
CCA Richard Winter
Dept. Comm., Canada Terry Shepard
EDUCOM Henry Chauncey
John LeGates
Harvard R. Metcalfe
R. Sundberg
IBM Research Douglas McKay
Illinois-CAC Jack Bouknight
G. R. Grossman
Jim Madden
Lincoln Labs Richard Kalin
Joel Winett
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Merit Al Cocanower
Brian S. Read
Merit-Univ. Mich. W. Scott Gerstenberger
MIT-DM Abhay Bhushan
Robert Fleischer
Albert Vezza
MIT-MULTICS J. C. R. Licklider
Mike Padlipsky
Mitre P. Karp
David Wood
Gene Raichelson
NBS G. Lindamood
T. N. Pyke
RADC Tom Lawrence
Bob Walker
Rand E. F. Harslem
J. F. Heafner
Raytheon T. O'Sullivan
SDC Robert Long
Arie Shoshani
SRI-ARC-NIC Charles Irby
John Melvin
R. W. Watson
Stony Brook Ralph Akkoyunlu
Art Bernstein
M. Inam Ul Haq
Richard Schantz
Univ. of Chicago R. Ashenhurst
UCLA-CCN Robert Braden
Steve Wolfe
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UCLA-NMC Vint Cerf
Steve Crocker
Ari Ollikainen
John Postel
Rollin Weeks
UCSB Steve Lynch
Jim White
U. K. Eric Foxley
Univ. of London Peter Kirstein
Univ. of Mo. Dan Garigan
Univ. of Penna. Don Bernard
Univ. of Waterloo Don Cowan
SITE STATUS REPORTS
The following are summaries of reports given by affiliates of the
indicated sites.
UCLA-Sigma 7
o NCP (document 1) and user/server TELNET-like protocol have
been operational for three months.
o NCP (RFC #107) will be implemented by June 1.
o TELNET will be implemented within one month of official
specification.
o Have been and will continue to gather Network measurements.
o Will use UCSB file protocol in conjunction with above.
UCLA-CCN
o Local hardware has been connected to IMP.
o NCP (RFC #107) 70% complete.
o NCP (RFC #107) and NETRJS will be in production on JULY 1.
o Draft of NETCRT will be issued as RFC soon.
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o They can offer APL and are looking for interested users.
UCSB
o UCSB is a service center; 360/75 + 2314 storage.
o NCP (doc. 1) operational since mid-October 1970.
o NCP (RFC #107) operational and verified remotely.
o Services currently offered:
1) UCSB on-line system
2) RJE/RJ0
3) file system
4) local interfaces to net via F0RTRAN, PL/1, etc.
o Short range plans:
1) DRS implementation and experimental service
2) Interested in APL
3) Distributed data base experiment with SRI
SRI-ARC/NIC
o Now running NCP (doc. 1) in TENEX.
o NCP (RFC #107) will be installed when BBN releases it.
o They are currently examining and tuning TENEX parameters and
resolving interface difficulties.
o Stage 0 plans include initial work with West Coast sites to
gain experience, in using NIC, with respect to response
times, traffic loads. This will initially look like TENEX to
a user. Later, this will appear as a virtual machine to
remote users via a special NIC subsystem.
SRI-AI (reported by SRI-ARC personnel)
o Configuration includes PDP-10, TENEX, high-speed drum, robot.
o Probable Network connection in July.
o Software includes various theorem-proving mechanisms.
o Interested in working on the above over the Network.
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RAND
o Current configuration includes 360/65, 1800, IMP, video
graphics system.
o NCP (RFC #107) in 360/65 in daily production use in
conjunction with UCSB.
o Network Services Program (NSP) used in above features:
1) dynamic access to local files
2) access to video consoles
3) access to NCP
4) UCSB RJE/RJ0 protocol
5) UCLA NETRJS protocol (not operational)
6) Logger and TELNET-like protocols.
o PDP-10 to be connected into Net (directly to IMP) in about
two months -- will eventually run TENEX and be a service
center.
o Short range software development includes TELNET and DRS.
o Will continue to provide production support for Climate
Dynamics.
o Hardware is 360/65 connected to Honeywell 516 connected to
IMP.
o NCP (doc. 1) verified with Rand.
SDC
o 360/65 runs Adept timesharing, has 10 users, can do protocols
from a user process.
o NCP (RFC #107) will be coded by end of month.
o Logger fairly close to being checked out.
o Will have TELNET similar to RFC #137 by June 1; will offer it
by 20 August.
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