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BBN, TENEX PROJECT: Final stage of incorporating NCP in TENEX. A
connection was attempted to Utah, but some bugs were found. The NCP
treats the network as a file in a way integral with other types of
files. The NCP includes a teletype interface. They hope to
incorporate the NCP in SRI'S TENEX system by the end of the month.
BBN, NETWORK GROUP: reported that they were working on three areas
1. Improving the current network
2. Working on a 316 version of the IMP and as a Terminal Interface
Processor (TIMP)
3. Accounting
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There are currently 15 IMPs connected to the network. A new software
system with minor changes is expected by March.
The TIMP uses the 316. A hardware design exists, but they are still
defining the software. A TIMP can handle up to 64 variable speed
terminals both sync and assync. The first machine is to go to MITRE
in September.
BBN emphasized that there are 3 products: a 516 IMP, a 316 IMP, and
a 316 TIMP. The 316 IMP is less expensive than the 516 IMP and can
connect to one host. BBN is not planning at the moment to exchange
316 IMPs for 516 IMPs. The two are plug-plug compatible.
SDC: In the debug phase for their NCP and expect it up in 4 to 6
weeks. Maybe by 8 weeks their T/S available for network use. Their
T/S is a 360/65 running the ADEPT system.
CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY: The IMP has been connected for
about one month, but as yet have no NCP. They are planning to use
the NCP implemented at Harvard. Case has a PDP-10/50 system. They
expect to be up in two to three months.
HARVARD: Harvard has a PDP-1 and PDP-10 connected to the IMP. The
NCP for the 10 is in final debugging. The PDP-1 is for refreshing
displays. The PDP-10 is for linguistic research and students.
Expect to be up in one to two months.
SRI-ARC: SRI has been in the final stage of conversion from an XDS
940 to a PDP-10. They plan to use the BBN TENEX NCP and should be up
in three or four weeks.
MIT DYNAMIC MODELING - PDP-10: They expect an NCP to be working by
March.
MIT MULTICS: They are connected to the IMP and expect their NCP to
be in the final debug stage in four weeks. As Multics is a service
machine, they don't have unlimited access and must perform checkout
at off hours. They expect to offer regular service to the network in
three or four months.
UTAH: PDP-10/50 probably going to be running TENEX in the fall.
Their NCP is being written in a higher level language (Euler run
interpretively) and are debugging in conjunction with BBN. They have
connected to and logged into themselves and expect a debugged version
within a month.
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LINCOLN LABORATORY, TX-2: They are testing the IMP interface, found
errors in Lincoln hardware. Currently, no data errors, but have
errors with message IDs. They expect their NCP with logger to be up
by April 15. They indicated that for testing purposes, they would
like to bring up their IMP without being open to network traffic.
BBN says that there is a way to echo to yourself without being open
to the network (contact BBN for details).
LINCOLN LABORATORY, 360/97: Running CP/CMS. The IMP interface was
completed last month. The NCP and Logger are working. They are
planning to put up the NCP as a regular service in April. On request
experiments with them can be run sooner.
UCSB: Has had their NCP since October. The NCP runs as independent
batch job. They plan to provide service to their On-Line System (a
manual is in the NIC collection at each site NIC (5480). They plan
to be on the air morning to evening on a regular basis. There are
some interface bugs as indicated earlier.
RAND: 360/65. Their NCP is a user process and can be resident. It
requires 8K bytes and does not have a logger.
UCLA, Sigma-7: Their NCP is in final debugging. They expect to be
up by March 1 with NCP, logger, and typewriter connection program.
COMPUTER CORPORATION OF AMERICA (CCA): Has just started a project to
create a node for the 10-12 bit laser store. They are going to use a
PDP-10 as a front end. They are developing a language for data
manipulation. The store will also be connected to the B-6500-ILLIAC
IV. They are planning data compression as part of their language to
ease the problems in use of the network's 50 kilobit line. They are
concentrating on security and privacy measures. Initial emphasis
will be on shared files. Installation is planned during 1972.
The following projects did not have representatives at the meeting.
Steve Crocker reported on their status.
CMU: PDP-10/50: Their IMP is connected, and they are planning to
use the Harvard NCP.
SRI-AI PROJECT: PDP10. They are planning to run TENEX in the
fall.
STANFORD-AI: They are not connected yet, but expect to be on by
summer.
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The above completed the review of status. Steve Crocker then
indicated that the old NWG mailing list was no longer to be used and
that the list maintained by the NIC (5731,) was the one to be used or
that the NIC would handle distribution by sending things through your
station agent to them. If your station agent or liaison person
should change, please let the NIC know immediately.
HOST-HOST LOGGER PROTOCOL DISCUSSION: Tom Skinner of Multics opened
the discussion of the logger by indicating that they wanted at least
an interim protocol so that use of the network could get started.
They had handed out RFC #98 NIC(5744), containing their ideas
Wednesday night. SRI-ARC had a similar document, RFC #97, NIC
(5740), handed out Wednesday night also. Multics recommended the
revised logger protocol of RFC #80, NIC (5608).
Some discussion on the relative merits of the logger protocol of
RFC #66, NIC (5409), versus RFC #80 was given. The protocol of
#80 had some potential problems due to assumptions which must be
made after the initial contact was established.
The result of the discussion was that the logger protocol of RFC
#66 was adopted with the correction that the allocate commands
were to be issued after the connection was established.
There seemed to be a need for an official document to be issued
with the correct logger specification given.
Tom also recommended that initial communication to the logger be
in 7-bit ASCII in a 8-bit field. There was some discussion as to
whether the eighth bit should be a 0 or a 1. It was finally
decided that it should be a 0.
Steve then listed some known problems or questions about the
host-host protocol.
1) Echo
2) Message Type
3) Interrupts
4) Marking-Padding
5) Half Duplex vs. Full Duplex communication during the
establishing of a socket.
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With regard to marking the following choices existed
a) leave alone
b) separate the heading and data into two messages
c) have message by multiples of 72 bits
With regard to interrupts (INS, INR), there was a synchronization
problem with regard to message transmission. That is, a message
could be sent and then an interrupt issued. The interrupt could
arrive before the message, in the middle of the message. Some way
of marking the point in the data stream where an interrupt was
sent is needed.
A subgroup was appointed to consider the above Host-Host problems.
Shortly, they would issue an RFC with modifications to the Host-Host
protocol, then collect comments and then issue an official revision.
People with suggestions should contact the committee. The committee
would also be contacting the sites. The committee is:
S. Crocker, UCLA (Chairman)
R. Tomlinson, BBN
T. Barkalow, Lincoln Lab
G. Grossman, University of Illinois
J. White, UCSB
R. Bressler, MIT, Project MAC
The discussion then returned to problems of typewriter access to the
network. The problems are presented in RFC #97, NIC (5740). Some
are:
a) Character set
b) End of Line
c) Interrupts
d) Message Format
e) Half Duplex, Full Duplex
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These problems were given to a committee on typewriter connection
protocol for solution:
Tom O'Sullivan, Raytheon (Chairman)
Ed Meyer, MIT-MAC
John Melvin, SRI-ARC
Bob Long, SDC
Bob Metcalfe, Harvard
Wil Crowther, BBN
This committee will come up quickly (within a week) with an interim
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